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He becomes what he hates. eucatastrophe Send a noteboard - 14/10/2010 02:40:19 AM
I agree with a lot that has already been said in this thread regarding how black and white Savage's thinking is on the matter.

This bothered me a lot though:

Did that hurt to hear? Good. But it couldn't have hurt nearly as much as what was said and done to Asher Brown and Justin Aaberg and Billy Lucas and Cody Barker and Seth Walsh—day in, day out for years—at schools filled with bigoted little monsters created not in the image of a loving God, but in the image of the hateful and false "followers of Christ" they call Mom and Dad.


I really hate internet/arm-chair pragmatists and I am not seeking to be one when I say this: Just because there are gross injustices in the world really doesn't give anyone the right to be as malicious, and rude.

I am not a Christian, I was not born a Christian and I was not raised Christian. But I did see that the poster was polite, sympathetic, and certainly did not deserve to be accused of that which Savage accused them of.

If I were Mr. Savage, I'd send that person a letter of apology, and take the opportunity to better-expound my stance.
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Love the Sinner Roland00 - 13/10/2010 04:07:28 PM 1427 Views
I have to think about that for a while. nossy - 13/10/2010 04:30:56 PM 993 Views
Suicide is significantly higher in young gay populations Roland00 - 13/10/2010 05:36:01 PM 908 Views
That is not what I think requires thought nossy - 13/10/2010 05:56:06 PM 922 Views
Nossy I ain't a mind reader, no matter how I try or how much I would do Jean Grey Roland00 - 13/10/2010 06:06:42 PM 1060 Views
for ze record nossy - 14/10/2010 02:54:07 AM 935 Views
ok now show that it caused by what Christian beliefs *NM* random thoughts - 13/10/2010 06:50:32 PM 446 Views
I don't think it's the belief's themselves LadyLorraine - 14/10/2010 12:20:01 AM 934 Views
The churches who encourage people to bully gays should be condemned random thoughts - 14/10/2010 06:43:06 PM 943 Views
Re: I have to think about that for a while. Rebekah - 13/10/2010 06:29:09 PM 918 Views
He was very frank but completely founded Fox and Ravens - 13/10/2010 04:34:46 PM 1044 Views
Ah, that Ghandi quote sure does get around. (which is funny, since he wasn't a Christian) Zalis - 13/10/2010 05:07:42 PM 1025 Views
I'm not sure that is true snoopcester - 13/10/2010 05:16:30 PM 909 Views
When's the last time you heard the quote attributed to anyone else? Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:34:10 PM 887 Views
That many people don't know the correct origin doesn't change it though snoopcester - 13/10/2010 09:31:13 PM 1033 Views
I think you are missing his point Roland00 - 13/10/2010 05:45:45 PM 1020 Views
Question (and this one actually is asking for information )... Legolas - 13/10/2010 06:42:17 PM 812 Views
Yes and no Roland00 - 13/10/2010 06:53:26 PM 1096 Views
Okay, fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 13/10/2010 07:48:21 PM 418 Views
I would think... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:35:31 AM 971 Views
I have seen gays be bullied before random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:02:35 PM 1030 Views
You just didn't listen to a thing I said *NM* Roland00 - 13/10/2010 07:09:29 PM 429 Views
why do you believe that? Because I don't agree with what you said? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:30:27 PM 936 Views
I said you aren't listening to a thing I said, for you didn't respond to anything that I wrote Roland00 - 13/10/2010 07:52:50 PM 944 Views
you are not interested in talking to anyone who doesn't agree with you random thoughts - 13/10/2010 09:01:03 PM 918 Views
I think there's truth in this as well. Legolas - 13/10/2010 07:55:00 PM 948 Views
churches tend to refelect society as much if not more then they influence it random thoughts - 14/10/2010 07:15:35 PM 922 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:30:42 PM 979 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Roland00 - 13/10/2010 09:55:52 PM 995 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Zalis - 14/10/2010 03:49:14 PM 1015 Views
Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level Roland00 - 14/10/2010 05:49:22 PM 1031 Views
Re: Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level Zalis - 14/10/2010 08:52:24 PM 1045 Views
Do you know greek or hebrew? Roland00 - 14/10/2010 08:57:32 PM 892 Views
I know a few words here and there, but not really. Do you? Zalis - 14/10/2010 10:46:36 PM 1043 Views
There's a good case on both sides (try Strong's Concordance, if you haven't, btw. ) Joel - 15/10/2010 05:09:21 AM 1464 Views
I don't look to Christianity for my answers Roland00 - 15/10/2010 03:02:16 PM 995 Views
Re: I don't look to Christianity for my answers Zalis - 15/10/2010 04:27:25 PM 1033 Views
You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Rowland - 13/10/2010 05:51:53 PM 1061 Views
so should Christians abandon other religious conviction to stop bullying? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:39:54 PM 934 Views
Re: You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:23:07 PM 959 Views
That seems a little myopic to me. Joel - 14/10/2010 09:16:27 AM 927 Views
Many good points there; I think I'll let you play Defender of the Faith for a bit. Joel - 14/10/2010 08:50:23 AM 1048 Views
I think he is jackass that does not believe other's can have apoint of view random thoughts - 13/10/2010 06:48:12 PM 931 Views
That's right, bullying would go away if we didn't have Christians to make moral judgements on things ßelals Girl - 13/10/2010 08:11:27 PM 1023 Views
I mostly agree ironclad - 13/10/2010 08:19:00 PM 1085 Views
most of the bullies I remember from school were not known for their regular church attendance random thoughts - 14/10/2010 07:24:06 PM 901 Views
I thought I pretty much agreed with you on that point ironclad - 14/10/2010 07:44:07 PM 954 Views
Let me see if I can understand where we agree, it is hard to do with all the Sarcasm Roland00 - 13/10/2010 08:48:38 PM 986 Views
Meh. He's not entirely incorrect. But not all Christians are anti-gay. Ghavrel - 13/10/2010 08:43:04 PM 981 Views
It is better to be a Tolkein than a Token Roland00 - 13/10/2010 08:52:09 PM 942 Views
If I were a Tolkien liberal Christian, wouldn't that make me an American Roman Catholic? *NM* Ghavrel - 13/10/2010 09:18:57 PM 380 Views
Interesting scalius - 13/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 1261 Views
Sometime rants do work and change people's mind Roland00 - 13/10/2010 09:23:39 PM 905 Views
and sometoimes they are just rants *NM* random thoughts - 13/10/2010 10:01:55 PM 380 Views
Okay my response now Roland00 - 14/10/2010 06:04:02 PM 985 Views
His first three sentences were totally unecessary. The rest is conspiracy-laden nonsense. everynametaken - 14/10/2010 12:37:06 AM 1056 Views
He becomes what he hates. eucatastrophe - 14/10/2010 02:40:19 AM 1138 Views
Good stuff. *NM* Aeryn - 14/10/2010 02:56:44 AM 402 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 03:06:36 AM 1001 Views
I think Chora has dibs on that bumper sticker. Joel - 14/10/2010 09:35:02 AM 1074 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 11:50:04 PM 1066 Views
It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Joel - 15/10/2010 01:16:10 AM 952 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Gaps - 16/10/2010 05:20:56 AM 1019 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Joel - 16/10/2010 07:16:21 AM 950 Views
I don't think there is any question... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:42:45 AM 951 Views
If I may quibble: Ghavrel - 14/10/2010 05:22:22 AM 814 Views
A lot of Christian doctrine states that people cannot know who is worthy of God and it's not up to Helene - 14/10/2010 05:41:19 AM 952 Views
And a lot of Christians who should know better forget this. Joel - 14/10/2010 10:16:51 AM 1012 Views
He's bullying Christians Helene - 14/10/2010 04:47:13 AM 947 Views
I agree BlackAdder - 14/10/2010 04:09:23 PM 1021 Views
I think he's reading a lot of things into that letter that aren't there. Joel - 14/10/2010 08:22:13 AM 909 Views
Two seperate things are mingled here Bramhodoulos - 14/10/2010 09:50:42 AM 1155 Views
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