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Re: I don't look to Christianity for my answers Zalis Send a noteboard - 15/10/2010 04:27:25 PM

Arsenokoitai

You won't find any previous meanings of that word, Paul literally made it up, yet it is used as justification in 1 Corinthians as justification on the persecution of gay people for according to Paul anybody who is Arsenkoitai won't be allowed into the kingdom of heaven. Now according to Martin Luther Arsenkoitai meant people who masutrbate, other translations settle on gay people.

Please ask your friends what Arsenokoitai means, please go ask your friends and find out.


Linking to something I was pointed to on the topic.
The sword might be grateful to the forge fire, but never fond of it.
A rather wordy, but thorough, examination and explanation
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Love the Sinner Roland00 - 13/10/2010 04:07:28 PM 1486 Views
I have to think about that for a while. nossy - 13/10/2010 04:30:56 PM 1042 Views
Suicide is significantly higher in young gay populations Roland00 - 13/10/2010 05:36:01 PM 958 Views
That is not what I think requires thought nossy - 13/10/2010 05:56:06 PM 988 Views
Nossy I ain't a mind reader, no matter how I try or how much I would do Jean Grey Roland00 - 13/10/2010 06:06:42 PM 1114 Views
for ze record nossy - 14/10/2010 02:54:07 AM 1013 Views
ok now show that it caused by what Christian beliefs *NM* random thoughts - 13/10/2010 06:50:32 PM 476 Views
I don't think it's the belief's themselves LadyLorraine - 14/10/2010 12:20:01 AM 1005 Views
The churches who encourage people to bully gays should be condemned random thoughts - 14/10/2010 06:43:06 PM 1018 Views
Re: I have to think about that for a while. Rebekah - 13/10/2010 06:29:09 PM 967 Views
He was very frank but completely founded Fox and Ravens - 13/10/2010 04:34:46 PM 1093 Views
Ah, that Ghandi quote sure does get around. (which is funny, since he wasn't a Christian) Zalis - 13/10/2010 05:07:42 PM 1082 Views
I'm not sure that is true snoopcester - 13/10/2010 05:16:30 PM 962 Views
When's the last time you heard the quote attributed to anyone else? Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:34:10 PM 940 Views
That many people don't know the correct origin doesn't change it though snoopcester - 13/10/2010 09:31:13 PM 1088 Views
I think you are missing his point Roland00 - 13/10/2010 05:45:45 PM 1077 Views
Question (and this one actually is asking for information )... Legolas - 13/10/2010 06:42:17 PM 868 Views
Yes and no Roland00 - 13/10/2010 06:53:26 PM 1171 Views
Okay, fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 13/10/2010 07:48:21 PM 453 Views
I would think... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:35:31 AM 1033 Views
I have seen gays be bullied before random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:02:35 PM 1086 Views
You just didn't listen to a thing I said *NM* Roland00 - 13/10/2010 07:09:29 PM 458 Views
why do you believe that? Because I don't agree with what you said? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:30:27 PM 987 Views
I said you aren't listening to a thing I said, for you didn't respond to anything that I wrote Roland00 - 13/10/2010 07:52:50 PM 992 Views
you are not interested in talking to anyone who doesn't agree with you random thoughts - 13/10/2010 09:01:03 PM 968 Views
I think there's truth in this as well. Legolas - 13/10/2010 07:55:00 PM 1004 Views
churches tend to refelect society as much if not more then they influence it random thoughts - 14/10/2010 07:15:35 PM 978 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:30:42 PM 1042 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Roland00 - 13/10/2010 09:55:52 PM 1059 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Zalis - 14/10/2010 03:49:14 PM 1068 Views
Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level Roland00 - 14/10/2010 05:49:22 PM 1085 Views
Re: Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level Zalis - 14/10/2010 08:52:24 PM 1124 Views
Do you know greek or hebrew? Roland00 - 14/10/2010 08:57:32 PM 978 Views
I know a few words here and there, but not really. Do you? Zalis - 14/10/2010 10:46:36 PM 1103 Views
There's a good case on both sides (try Strong's Concordance, if you haven't, btw. ) Joel - 15/10/2010 05:09:21 AM 1536 Views
I don't look to Christianity for my answers Roland00 - 15/10/2010 03:02:16 PM 1053 Views
Re: I don't look to Christianity for my answers Zalis - 15/10/2010 04:27:25 PM 1101 Views
You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Rowland - 13/10/2010 05:51:53 PM 1111 Views
so should Christians abandon other religious conviction to stop bullying? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:39:54 PM 990 Views
Re: You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:23:07 PM 1007 Views
That seems a little myopic to me. Joel - 14/10/2010 09:16:27 AM 983 Views
Many good points there; I think I'll let you play Defender of the Faith for a bit. Joel - 14/10/2010 08:50:23 AM 1103 Views
I think he is jackass that does not believe other's can have apoint of view random thoughts - 13/10/2010 06:48:12 PM 986 Views
That's right, bullying would go away if we didn't have Christians to make moral judgements on things ßelals Girl - 13/10/2010 08:11:27 PM 1083 Views
I mostly agree ironclad - 13/10/2010 08:19:00 PM 1147 Views
most of the bullies I remember from school were not known for their regular church attendance random thoughts - 14/10/2010 07:24:06 PM 978 Views
I thought I pretty much agreed with you on that point ironclad - 14/10/2010 07:44:07 PM 1006 Views
Let me see if I can understand where we agree, it is hard to do with all the Sarcasm Roland00 - 13/10/2010 08:48:38 PM 1038 Views
Meh. He's not entirely incorrect. But not all Christians are anti-gay. Ghavrel - 13/10/2010 08:43:04 PM 1040 Views
It is better to be a Tolkein than a Token Roland00 - 13/10/2010 08:52:09 PM 993 Views
If I were a Tolkien liberal Christian, wouldn't that make me an American Roman Catholic? *NM* Ghavrel - 13/10/2010 09:18:57 PM 408 Views
Interesting scalius - 13/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 1358 Views
Sometime rants do work and change people's mind Roland00 - 13/10/2010 09:23:39 PM 962 Views
and sometoimes they are just rants *NM* random thoughts - 13/10/2010 10:01:55 PM 428 Views
Okay my response now Roland00 - 14/10/2010 06:04:02 PM 1041 Views
His first three sentences were totally unecessary. The rest is conspiracy-laden nonsense. everynametaken - 14/10/2010 12:37:06 AM 1110 Views
He becomes what he hates. eucatastrophe - 14/10/2010 02:40:19 AM 1186 Views
Good stuff. *NM* Aeryn - 14/10/2010 02:56:44 AM 431 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 03:06:36 AM 1069 Views
I think Chora has dibs on that bumper sticker. Joel - 14/10/2010 09:35:02 AM 1130 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 11:50:04 PM 1120 Views
It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Joel - 15/10/2010 01:16:10 AM 1005 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Gaps - 16/10/2010 05:20:56 AM 1077 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Joel - 16/10/2010 07:16:21 AM 1003 Views
I don't think there is any question... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:42:45 AM 1007 Views
If I may quibble: Ghavrel - 14/10/2010 05:22:22 AM 865 Views
A lot of Christian doctrine states that people cannot know who is worthy of God and it's not up to Helene - 14/10/2010 05:41:19 AM 1011 Views
And a lot of Christians who should know better forget this. Joel - 14/10/2010 10:16:51 AM 1061 Views
He's bullying Christians Helene - 14/10/2010 04:47:13 AM 1000 Views
I agree BlackAdder - 14/10/2010 04:09:23 PM 1074 Views
I think he's reading a lot of things into that letter that aren't there. Joel - 14/10/2010 08:22:13 AM 966 Views
Two seperate things are mingled here Bramhodoulos - 14/10/2010 09:50:42 AM 1213 Views
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