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I thought I pretty much agreed with you on that point ironclad Send a noteboard - 14/10/2010 07:44:07 PM
Have you ever been to a fundamentalist church? I know that when you look at how they are portrayed in the media and pop culture they seem like nothing but fire and brimstone fire breathers but the reality is much different. The few that I have attended made me uncomfortable with all the touchy feely love crap. Lots of hand holding and swaying lots of talk about love and commitment.

I am not saying that sort of church doesn’t exist but they are by far the minority.


All I am saying is that a religious fanatic dad may say some pretty nasty things about Gays during dinner, which his kids may pick up. Whether or not that makes them bullies later is a different issue.
But like you and Amanda said, the church taking an official stance pro-Gay doesn't make it any less likely that some Gay kids will end up getting bullied by assholes. It's all very vague and theoretic when it comes to cause and effects in this. It's no science.
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Love the Sinner Roland00 - 13/10/2010 04:07:28 PM 1453 Views
I have to think about that for a while. nossy - 13/10/2010 04:30:56 PM 1019 Views
Suicide is significantly higher in young gay populations Roland00 - 13/10/2010 05:36:01 PM 933 Views
That is not what I think requires thought nossy - 13/10/2010 05:56:06 PM 957 Views
Nossy I ain't a mind reader, no matter how I try or how much I would do Jean Grey Roland00 - 13/10/2010 06:06:42 PM 1083 Views
for ze record nossy - 14/10/2010 02:54:07 AM 980 Views
ok now show that it caused by what Christian beliefs *NM* random thoughts - 13/10/2010 06:50:32 PM 462 Views
I don't think it's the belief's themselves LadyLorraine - 14/10/2010 12:20:01 AM 975 Views
The churches who encourage people to bully gays should be condemned random thoughts - 14/10/2010 06:43:06 PM 988 Views
Re: I have to think about that for a while. Rebekah - 13/10/2010 06:29:09 PM 943 Views
He was very frank but completely founded Fox and Ravens - 13/10/2010 04:34:46 PM 1069 Views
Ah, that Ghandi quote sure does get around. (which is funny, since he wasn't a Christian) Zalis - 13/10/2010 05:07:42 PM 1051 Views
I'm not sure that is true snoopcester - 13/10/2010 05:16:30 PM 935 Views
When's the last time you heard the quote attributed to anyone else? Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:34:10 PM 910 Views
That many people don't know the correct origin doesn't change it though snoopcester - 13/10/2010 09:31:13 PM 1059 Views
I think you are missing his point Roland00 - 13/10/2010 05:45:45 PM 1045 Views
Question (and this one actually is asking for information )... Legolas - 13/10/2010 06:42:17 PM 835 Views
Yes and no Roland00 - 13/10/2010 06:53:26 PM 1128 Views
Okay, fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 13/10/2010 07:48:21 PM 439 Views
I would think... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:35:31 AM 1001 Views
I have seen gays be bullied before random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:02:35 PM 1057 Views
You just didn't listen to a thing I said *NM* Roland00 - 13/10/2010 07:09:29 PM 447 Views
why do you believe that? Because I don't agree with what you said? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:30:27 PM 963 Views
I said you aren't listening to a thing I said, for you didn't respond to anything that I wrote Roland00 - 13/10/2010 07:52:50 PM 969 Views
you are not interested in talking to anyone who doesn't agree with you random thoughts - 13/10/2010 09:01:03 PM 943 Views
I think there's truth in this as well. Legolas - 13/10/2010 07:55:00 PM 975 Views
churches tend to refelect society as much if not more then they influence it random thoughts - 14/10/2010 07:15:35 PM 946 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:30:42 PM 1014 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Roland00 - 13/10/2010 09:55:52 PM 1028 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Zalis - 14/10/2010 03:49:14 PM 1040 Views
Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level Roland00 - 14/10/2010 05:49:22 PM 1058 Views
Re: Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level Zalis - 14/10/2010 08:52:24 PM 1078 Views
Do you know greek or hebrew? Roland00 - 14/10/2010 08:57:32 PM 932 Views
I know a few words here and there, but not really. Do you? Zalis - 14/10/2010 10:46:36 PM 1068 Views
There's a good case on both sides (try Strong's Concordance, if you haven't, btw. ) Joel - 15/10/2010 05:09:21 AM 1509 Views
I don't look to Christianity for my answers Roland00 - 15/10/2010 03:02:16 PM 1021 Views
Re: I don't look to Christianity for my answers Zalis - 15/10/2010 04:27:25 PM 1072 Views
You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Rowland - 13/10/2010 05:51:53 PM 1085 Views
so should Christians abandon other religious conviction to stop bullying? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:39:54 PM 962 Views
Re: You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:23:07 PM 981 Views
That seems a little myopic to me. Joel - 14/10/2010 09:16:27 AM 952 Views
Many good points there; I think I'll let you play Defender of the Faith for a bit. Joel - 14/10/2010 08:50:23 AM 1078 Views
I think he is jackass that does not believe other's can have apoint of view random thoughts - 13/10/2010 06:48:12 PM 953 Views
That's right, bullying would go away if we didn't have Christians to make moral judgements on things ßelals Girl - 13/10/2010 08:11:27 PM 1051 Views
I mostly agree ironclad - 13/10/2010 08:19:00 PM 1117 Views
most of the bullies I remember from school were not known for their regular church attendance random thoughts - 14/10/2010 07:24:06 PM 938 Views
I thought I pretty much agreed with you on that point ironclad - 14/10/2010 07:44:07 PM 979 Views
Let me see if I can understand where we agree, it is hard to do with all the Sarcasm Roland00 - 13/10/2010 08:48:38 PM 1009 Views
Meh. He's not entirely incorrect. But not all Christians are anti-gay. Ghavrel - 13/10/2010 08:43:04 PM 1011 Views
It is better to be a Tolkein than a Token Roland00 - 13/10/2010 08:52:09 PM 966 Views
If I were a Tolkien liberal Christian, wouldn't that make me an American Roman Catholic? *NM* Ghavrel - 13/10/2010 09:18:57 PM 397 Views
Interesting scalius - 13/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 1305 Views
Sometime rants do work and change people's mind Roland00 - 13/10/2010 09:23:39 PM 930 Views
and sometoimes they are just rants *NM* random thoughts - 13/10/2010 10:01:55 PM 414 Views
Okay my response now Roland00 - 14/10/2010 06:04:02 PM 1010 Views
His first three sentences were totally unecessary. The rest is conspiracy-laden nonsense. everynametaken - 14/10/2010 12:37:06 AM 1080 Views
He becomes what he hates. eucatastrophe - 14/10/2010 02:40:19 AM 1161 Views
Good stuff. *NM* Aeryn - 14/10/2010 02:56:44 AM 418 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 03:06:36 AM 1042 Views
I think Chora has dibs on that bumper sticker. Joel - 14/10/2010 09:35:02 AM 1099 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 11:50:04 PM 1092 Views
It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Joel - 15/10/2010 01:16:10 AM 978 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Gaps - 16/10/2010 05:20:56 AM 1045 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Joel - 16/10/2010 07:16:21 AM 973 Views
I don't think there is any question... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:42:45 AM 979 Views
If I may quibble: Ghavrel - 14/10/2010 05:22:22 AM 838 Views
A lot of Christian doctrine states that people cannot know who is worthy of God and it's not up to Helene - 14/10/2010 05:41:19 AM 983 Views
And a lot of Christians who should know better forget this. Joel - 14/10/2010 10:16:51 AM 1036 Views
He's bullying Christians Helene - 14/10/2010 04:47:13 AM 972 Views
I agree BlackAdder - 14/10/2010 04:09:23 PM 1045 Views
I think he's reading a lot of things into that letter that aren't there. Joel - 14/10/2010 08:22:13 AM 939 Views
Two seperate things are mingled here Bramhodoulos - 14/10/2010 09:50:42 AM 1185 Views
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