I think that religious fundamentalism -- either the hard kind, or the soft kind (which we're supposed to pretend is okay) -- is contributing to an environment where people on the sharp end of the judgment stick probably feel burned by it. I can understand being religious and having been brought up with a certain perspective, i.e. gay people existing/scewing/marying is "wrong" and shouldn't be allowed, but like whoever this person is, I don't think this means that we tolerate it.
Don't tolerate intolerance!
Is that a bumper sticker yet, and can I make money off it?
I guess my comment is: if I were gay and wanted to marry, and someone said: "Oh, I'm sorry, but Christ doesn't allow that. I wish he did. But morally, it's wrong." that, to me, would translate exactly to "fuck you".
Free the gays! And the religious!
Don't tolerate intolerance!
Is that a bumper sticker yet, and can I make money off it?
I guess my comment is: if I were gay and wanted to marry, and someone said: "Oh, I'm sorry, but Christ doesn't allow that. I wish he did. But morally, it's wrong." that, to me, would translate exactly to "fuck you".
Free the gays! And the religious!
I recall having this discussion a few times on wotmanias CMB, and stand by my position there: Tolerance includes tolerating intolerance, and if that makes you question some of your bedrock assumptions, maybe it should. It's like free speech; you never hear people demanding "tolerance for ice cream!" or "free the people who don't play loud music after 10PM!" because they're not exactly under assault. Tolerance is Voltaire saying he may not agree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it. So we have to tolerate bigots, too, or we're just practicing selective bigotry of our own; if the particular part of the populace we choose to hate and/or disenfranchise is an extremely small and unpopular one, that just means we're very SKILLED bigots. You can disagree with them, argue with them, oppose them publicly, "withstand [them] to [their] face" as Paul did when Peter was shunning Gentile Christians, but what you can't do, if you claim tolerance, is muzzle them. The one exception is when they're committing or encouraging violence; obviously your right to be loud and ignorant still ends where the cross ignites on my lawn.
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Last First in wotmania Chat
Slightly better than chocolate.
Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!
LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
Last First in wotmania Chat
Slightly better than chocolate.
Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!

LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
Love the Sinner
- 13/10/2010 04:07:28 PM
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I have to think about that for a while.
- 13/10/2010 04:30:56 PM
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Suicide is significantly higher in young gay populations
- 13/10/2010 05:36:01 PM
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That is not what I think requires thought
- 13/10/2010 05:56:06 PM
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Nossy I ain't a mind reader, no matter how I try
or how much I would do Jean Grey
- 13/10/2010 06:06:42 PM
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or how much I would do Jean Grey
- 13/10/2010 06:06:42 PM
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ok now show that it caused by what Christian beliefs *NM*
- 13/10/2010 06:50:32 PM
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I don't think it's the belief's themselves
- 14/10/2010 12:20:01 AM
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The churches who encourage people to bully gays should be condemned
- 14/10/2010 06:43:06 PM
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Ah, that Ghandi quote sure does get around. (which is funny, since he wasn't a Christian)
- 13/10/2010 05:07:42 PM
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- 13/10/2010 05:07:42 PM
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I'm not sure that is true
- 13/10/2010 05:16:30 PM
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When's the last time you heard the quote attributed to anyone else?
- 13/10/2010 08:34:10 PM
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- 13/10/2010 08:34:10 PM
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That many people don't know the correct origin doesn't change it though
- 13/10/2010 09:31:13 PM
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I think you are missing his point
- 13/10/2010 05:45:45 PM
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Question (and this one actually is asking for information
)...
- 13/10/2010 06:42:17 PM
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)...
- 13/10/2010 06:42:17 PM
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I have seen gays be bullied before
- 13/10/2010 07:02:35 PM
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You just didn't listen to a thing I said *NM*
- 13/10/2010 07:09:29 PM
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why do you believe that? Because I don't agree with what you said?
- 13/10/2010 07:30:27 PM
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I said you aren't listening to a thing I said, for you didn't respond to anything that I wrote
- 13/10/2010 07:52:50 PM
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you are not interested in talking to anyone who doesn't agree with you
- 13/10/2010 09:01:03 PM
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I think there's truth in this as well.
- 13/10/2010 07:55:00 PM
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churches tend to refelect society as much if not more then they influence it
- 14/10/2010 07:15:35 PM
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Re: I think you are missing his point
- 13/10/2010 08:30:42 PM
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Re: I think you are missing his point
- 13/10/2010 09:55:52 PM
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Re: I think you are missing his point
- 14/10/2010 03:49:14 PM
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Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level
- 14/10/2010 05:49:22 PM
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Re: Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level
- 14/10/2010 08:52:24 PM
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Do you know greek or hebrew?
- 14/10/2010 08:57:32 PM
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I know a few words here and there, but not really. Do you?
- 14/10/2010 10:46:36 PM
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There's a good case on both sides (try Strong's Concordance, if you haven't, btw. )
- 15/10/2010 05:09:21 AM
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You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point
- 13/10/2010 05:51:53 PM
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so should Christians abandon other religious conviction to stop bullying?
- 13/10/2010 07:39:54 PM
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Many good points there; I think I'll let you play Defender of the Faith for a bit.
- 14/10/2010 08:50:23 AM
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- 14/10/2010 08:50:23 AM
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I think he is jackass that does not believe other's can have apoint of view
- 13/10/2010 06:48:12 PM
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That's right, bullying would go away if we didn't have Christians to make moral judgements on things
- 13/10/2010 08:11:27 PM
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I mostly agree
- 13/10/2010 08:19:00 PM
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most of the bullies I remember from school were not known for their regular church attendance
- 14/10/2010 07:24:06 PM
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Let me see if I can understand where we agree, it is hard to do with all the Sarcasm
- 13/10/2010 08:48:38 PM
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- 13/10/2010 08:48:38 PM
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Meh. He's not entirely incorrect. But not all Christians are anti-gay.
- 13/10/2010 08:43:04 PM
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It is better to be a Tolkein than a Token
- 13/10/2010 08:52:09 PM
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- 13/10/2010 08:52:09 PM
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If I were a Tolkien liberal Christian, wouldn't that make me an American Roman Catholic?
*NM*
- 13/10/2010 09:18:57 PM
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*NM*
- 13/10/2010 09:18:57 PM
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Interesting
- 13/10/2010 08:56:46 PM
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His first three sentences were totally unecessary. The rest is conspiracy-laden nonsense.
- 14/10/2010 12:37:06 AM
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Re:
- 14/10/2010 03:06:36 AM
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I think Chora has dibs on that bumper sticker.
- 14/10/2010 09:35:02 AM
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Re:
- 14/10/2010 11:50:04 PM
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It's nothing at all like cultural relativism.
- 15/10/2010 01:16:10 AM
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I don't think there is any question...
- 14/10/2010 04:42:45 AM
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A lot of Christian doctrine states that people cannot know who is worthy of God and it's not up to
- 14/10/2010 05:41:19 AM
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I think he's reading a lot of things into that letter that aren't there.
- 14/10/2010 08:22:13 AM
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