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Re: I don't look to Christianity for my answers Zalis Send a noteboard - 15/10/2010 04:27:25 PM

Arsenokoitai

You won't find any previous meanings of that word, Paul literally made it up, yet it is used as justification in 1 Corinthians as justification on the persecution of gay people for according to Paul anybody who is Arsenkoitai won't be allowed into the kingdom of heaven. Now according to Martin Luther Arsenkoitai meant people who masutrbate, other translations settle on gay people.

Please ask your friends what Arsenokoitai means, please go ask your friends and find out.


Linking to something I was pointed to on the topic.
The sword might be grateful to the forge fire, but never fond of it.
A rather wordy, but thorough, examination and explanation
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Love the Sinner Roland00 - 13/10/2010 04:07:28 PM 1311 Views
I have to think about that for a while. nossy - 13/10/2010 04:30:56 PM 852 Views
Suicide is significantly higher in young gay populations Roland00 - 13/10/2010 05:36:01 PM 784 Views
That is not what I think requires thought nossy - 13/10/2010 05:56:06 PM 798 Views
Nossy I ain't a mind reader, no matter how I try or how much I would do Jean Grey Roland00 - 13/10/2010 06:06:42 PM 928 Views
for ze record nossy - 14/10/2010 02:54:07 AM 812 Views
ok now show that it caused by what Christian beliefs *NM* random thoughts - 13/10/2010 06:50:32 PM 398 Views
I don't think it's the belief's themselves LadyLorraine - 14/10/2010 12:20:01 AM 825 Views
The churches who encourage people to bully gays should be condemned random thoughts - 14/10/2010 06:43:06 PM 815 Views
Re: I have to think about that for a while. Rebekah - 13/10/2010 06:29:09 PM 813 Views
He was very frank but completely founded Fox and Ravens - 13/10/2010 04:34:46 PM 881 Views
Ah, that Ghandi quote sure does get around. (which is funny, since he wasn't a Christian) Zalis - 13/10/2010 05:07:42 PM 908 Views
I'm not sure that is true snoopcester - 13/10/2010 05:16:30 PM 777 Views
When's the last time you heard the quote attributed to anyone else? Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:34:10 PM 761 Views
That many people don't know the correct origin doesn't change it though snoopcester - 13/10/2010 09:31:13 PM 908 Views
I think you are missing his point Roland00 - 13/10/2010 05:45:45 PM 870 Views
Question (and this one actually is asking for information )... Legolas - 13/10/2010 06:42:17 PM 702 Views
Yes and no Roland00 - 13/10/2010 06:53:26 PM 974 Views
Okay, fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 13/10/2010 07:48:21 PM 350 Views
I would think... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:35:31 AM 852 Views
I have seen gays be bullied before random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:02:35 PM 906 Views
You just didn't listen to a thing I said *NM* Roland00 - 13/10/2010 07:09:29 PM 352 Views
why do you believe that? Because I don't agree with what you said? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:30:27 PM 815 Views
I said you aren't listening to a thing I said, for you didn't respond to anything that I wrote Roland00 - 13/10/2010 07:52:50 PM 795 Views
you are not interested in talking to anyone who doesn't agree with you random thoughts - 13/10/2010 09:01:03 PM 790 Views
I think there's truth in this as well. Legolas - 13/10/2010 07:55:00 PM 831 Views
churches tend to refelect society as much if not more then they influence it random thoughts - 14/10/2010 07:15:35 PM 806 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:30:42 PM 872 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Roland00 - 13/10/2010 09:55:52 PM 869 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Zalis - 14/10/2010 03:49:14 PM 879 Views
Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level Roland00 - 14/10/2010 05:49:22 PM 904 Views
Re: Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level Zalis - 14/10/2010 08:52:24 PM 920 Views
Do you know greek or hebrew? Roland00 - 14/10/2010 08:57:32 PM 763 Views
I know a few words here and there, but not really. Do you? Zalis - 14/10/2010 10:46:36 PM 895 Views
There's a good case on both sides (try Strong's Concordance, if you haven't, btw. ) Joel - 15/10/2010 05:09:21 AM 1326 Views
I don't look to Christianity for my answers Roland00 - 15/10/2010 03:02:16 PM 871 Views
Re: I don't look to Christianity for my answers Zalis - 15/10/2010 04:27:25 PM 919 Views
You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Rowland - 13/10/2010 05:51:53 PM 934 Views
so should Christians abandon other religious conviction to stop bullying? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:39:54 PM 796 Views
Re: You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:23:07 PM 848 Views
That seems a little myopic to me. Joel - 14/10/2010 09:16:27 AM 812 Views
Many good points there; I think I'll let you play Defender of the Faith for a bit. Joel - 14/10/2010 08:50:23 AM 906 Views
I think he is jackass that does not believe other's can have apoint of view random thoughts - 13/10/2010 06:48:12 PM 808 Views
That's right, bullying would go away if we didn't have Christians to make moral judgements on things ßelals Girl - 13/10/2010 08:11:27 PM 893 Views
I mostly agree ironclad - 13/10/2010 08:19:00 PM 958 Views
most of the bullies I remember from school were not known for their regular church attendance random thoughts - 14/10/2010 07:24:06 PM 797 Views
I thought I pretty much agreed with you on that point ironclad - 14/10/2010 07:44:07 PM 843 Views
Let me see if I can understand where we agree, it is hard to do with all the Sarcasm Roland00 - 13/10/2010 08:48:38 PM 844 Views
Meh. He's not entirely incorrect. But not all Christians are anti-gay. Ghavrel - 13/10/2010 08:43:04 PM 860 Views
It is better to be a Tolkein than a Token Roland00 - 13/10/2010 08:52:09 PM 830 Views
If I were a Tolkien liberal Christian, wouldn't that make me an American Roman Catholic? *NM* Ghavrel - 13/10/2010 09:18:57 PM 325 Views
Interesting scalius - 13/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 1135 Views
Sometime rants do work and change people's mind Roland00 - 13/10/2010 09:23:39 PM 721 Views
and sometoimes they are just rants *NM* random thoughts - 13/10/2010 10:01:55 PM 329 Views
Okay my response now Roland00 - 14/10/2010 06:04:02 PM 864 Views
His first three sentences were totally unecessary. The rest is conspiracy-laden nonsense. everynametaken - 14/10/2010 12:37:06 AM 903 Views
He becomes what he hates. eucatastrophe - 14/10/2010 02:40:19 AM 1004 Views
Good stuff. *NM* Aeryn - 14/10/2010 02:56:44 AM 352 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 03:06:36 AM 876 Views
I think Chora has dibs on that bumper sticker. Joel - 14/10/2010 09:35:02 AM 946 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 11:50:04 PM 936 Views
It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Joel - 15/10/2010 01:16:10 AM 805 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Gaps - 16/10/2010 05:20:56 AM 898 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Joel - 16/10/2010 07:16:21 AM 817 Views
I don't think there is any question... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:42:45 AM 834 Views
If I may quibble: Ghavrel - 14/10/2010 05:22:22 AM 697 Views
A lot of Christian doctrine states that people cannot know who is worthy of God and it's not up to Helene - 14/10/2010 05:41:19 AM 839 Views
And a lot of Christians who should know better forget this. Joel - 14/10/2010 10:16:51 AM 889 Views
He's bullying Christians Helene - 14/10/2010 04:47:13 AM 822 Views
I agree BlackAdder - 14/10/2010 04:09:23 PM 913 Views
I think he's reading a lot of things into that letter that aren't there. Joel - 14/10/2010 08:22:13 AM 794 Views
Two seperate things are mingled here Bramhodoulos - 14/10/2010 09:50:42 AM 1029 Views
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