I don't believe in striking first but, frankly, it's long been a moot point.
Joel Send a noteboard - 23/11/2010 05:09:49 PM
17 years of engaging North Korea have led to absolutely no positive tangible results. Not only that, that fruitless process has given the North the opportunity to develop nuclear warheads. They now let the whole world know that there is a second nuclear facility that they had never revealed or intended to reveal throughout those 17 years, and a few days later they open up with the first artillery shelling of South Korea since the armistice.
I think it is time to mobilize and strike. We need to strike first, strike hard and strike so hard that nothing can strike back worth noting.
I think it is time to mobilize and strike. We need to strike first, strike hard and strike so hard that nothing can strike back worth noting.
The map at the article Camilla linked was illustrative: It purports to show sites of 150 "incidents" between North and South Korea since the "armistice" "ended" the conflict. A total of FOUR occurred outside South Koreas land borders (all but one of those in open sea). That said, I'm still not convinced a military strike is the next logical step, but we should break off diplomatic relations until/unless North Korea demontrates some significant and tangible concessions. Simply crawling to them for another agreement they can violate with impunity while they prepare for a war of their own choosing would be stupid. How many people must they kill before the US and her allies are no longer the aggressor? We're past that point, IMHO, and should clearly say the next attack will be treated as the act of war it is, will initiate a war we will conclude on our terms.
Of course, that does mean some pretty awful things, things like North Korea shelling South Korea (because, remember, as long as we sit mutely taking this crap North Korea won't unleash an artillery barrage on South Korean civil--oh, wait, that's a proven load of horsecrap, isn't it?
) and the US confronting China, but it should be clear to any objective observer by now that that day is coming whatever we do.
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This message last edited by Joel on 23/11/2010 at 09:26:59 PM
North Korea attacks South Korea and no one mentions it?
- 23/11/2010 10:56:03 AM
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"Oh God, Oh God, we are all going to die?"
- 23/11/2010 11:09:30 AM
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- 23/11/2010 11:09:30 AM
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Yup, but the day Beijing decides they're better off not intervening the Appeasers look very dumb.
- 23/11/2010 11:23:35 AM
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The appeasers look very dumb at this point regardless.
- 23/11/2010 04:11:41 PM
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yes, because we want to fight *ANOTHER* proxy war with china
*NM*
- 23/11/2010 04:29:18 PM
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*NM*
- 23/11/2010 04:29:18 PM
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"Wanting" has nothing to do with it. There are few alternatives.
- 23/11/2010 04:50:02 PM
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Honestly, it COULD go either way.
- 23/11/2010 05:14:18 PM
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The fact that it could go either way is a testimony to the longevity of Chinese leaders.
- 23/11/2010 07:04:14 PM
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I don't believe in striking first but, frankly, it's long been a moot point.
- 23/11/2010 05:09:49 PM
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You know I like to sleep in, remember?
- 23/11/2010 11:20:33 AM
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- 23/11/2010 11:20:33 AM
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Agreed
- 23/11/2010 02:07:30 PM
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I worry North Korea long ago decided to solve domestic problems with international aggression.
- 23/11/2010 02:26:36 PM
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That is 'cause everyone else is hiding out in their nuclear bunkers
- 23/11/2010 11:40:33 AM
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- 23/11/2010 11:40:33 AM
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Re: That is 'cause everyone else is hiding out in their nuclear bunkers
- 23/11/2010 11:46:03 AM
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- 23/11/2010 11:46:03 AM
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Re: That is 'cause everyone else is hiding out in their nuclear bunkers
- 23/11/2010 11:57:51 AM
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- 23/11/2010 11:57:51 AM
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The really sad part is, that along with everything else worthwhile in the British Empire...
- 25/11/2010 09:49:00 AM
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I actually had no clue.
- 23/11/2010 01:14:20 PM
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Re: I actually had no clue.
- 23/11/2010 01:15:10 PM
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Re: I actually had no clue.
- 23/11/2010 04:32:17 PM
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Re: I actually had no clue.
- 23/11/2010 04:36:59 PM
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Careful; qualify all your generalizations and people (especially him) will think you're me.
- 25/11/2010 02:03:42 PM
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- 25/11/2010 02:03:42 PM
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Nuke the fuckers and be done with it. And let China know it's their fault. *NM*
- 23/11/2010 02:58:56 PM
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you know the world doesn't exist until america wakes up in the morning, right? *NM*
- 23/11/2010 04:27:27 PM
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OK, have had time to read it, and someone needs to fact check a very important part of that article.
- 23/11/2010 04:52:02 PM
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Fact checking:
- 23/11/2010 08:38:57 PM
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The term "truce" used in a different Guardian article seems better.
- 23/11/2010 09:20:19 PM
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Well
- 23/11/2010 05:24:02 PM
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Same reason we don't give all our allies (especially neighbors) our best hardware.
- 23/11/2010 07:43:54 PM
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Actually, no, it looks like The Guardian is just schizoid on this subject.
- 23/11/2010 08:16:45 PM
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This has been coming for a while but I hoped the West would step up and help out. *NM*
- 23/11/2010 08:31:40 PM
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There's not going to be any all-out conflict
- 24/11/2010 12:56:44 AM
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They're getting aid from South Korea now, and killing them anyway.
- 24/11/2010 01:20:33 AM
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No kidding, that's been going on for quite some time.
- 24/11/2010 02:49:50 AM
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That is the crux of it, I suppose.
- 24/11/2010 03:02:40 PM
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~shrugs~ SK has lived with this a long time, and will continue to do so.
- 24/11/2010 10:26:44 PM
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Parts of it have; some South Koreans stopped living with it a few days ago.
- 25/11/2010 01:48:02 PM
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