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Well, I don't actually agree with the first part of your Catch-22. At least, not entirely. Tom Send a noteboard - 30/11/2010 02:43:13 PM
No life other than us makes it easier to say that the emergence of life in the universe was an accident, a one-off sort of thing that happened for no reason despite our best efforts to impute a reason.

Life everywhere makes life seem like a natural progression of the growth of the universe. If sentient life exists elsewhere, then sentience is a natural goal of the universe, which may support the idea that conscious existence is something the universe is striving for.

Combine that with the cyclical reality that is presupposed by the "echoes of pre-Big Bang events" that removes the linear isolation of the universe and you have a much richer reality being hinted at.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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Is NASA set to reveal on Thursday signs of possible extraterrestial life within the solar system? Larry - 30/11/2010 03:49:40 AM 1295 Views
Interesting. Darth_Katie - 30/11/2010 04:43:15 AM 725 Views
crap! I will be watching this! dacole - 30/11/2010 05:04:58 AM 880 Views
Goddammit Wikileaks get on this *NM* beetnemesis - 30/11/2010 05:05:19 AM 368 Views
There's no one to smear, why would wikileaks be interested? *NM* Macharius - 30/11/2010 01:45:58 PM 354 Views
photsynthesis using arsnic hmm I am going to have to check this out dacole - 30/11/2010 05:07:22 AM 878 Views
If there is life in the solar system then it is likely a natural development in the universe. Tom - 30/11/2010 05:12:38 AM 764 Views
Re: If there is life in the solar system then it is likely a natural development in the universe. dacole - 30/11/2010 05:18:05 AM 936 Views
Seems to put atheists in a bit of a catch-22 there. Ghavrel - 30/11/2010 05:54:25 AM 931 Views
Bwa? Craig - 30/11/2010 06:45:33 AM 817 Views
Sorry, yeah. That is not my position. Ghavrel - 30/11/2010 07:03:17 AM 807 Views
The best will be when we find other intelligent life beetnemesis - 30/11/2010 02:32:35 PM 717 Views
Well, I don't actually agree with the first part of your Catch-22. At least, not entirely. Tom - 30/11/2010 02:43:13 PM 851 Views
Using anthropomorphic terms to describe the universe only reflects on you, not on the universe. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 30/11/2010 07:31:04 PM 363 Views
What an arbitrary and meaningless statement. *NM* Ghavrel - 30/11/2010 07:52:13 PM 305 Views
Anthropomorphizing concepts is a cognitive bias. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/11/2010 11:19:23 PM 720 Views
Only given a certain metaphysical framework. Ghavrel - 01/12/2010 12:18:09 AM 764 Views
Mind dumbing that down a bit? Isaac - 01/12/2010 12:43:47 AM 718 Views
I think he is saying Darth_Katie - 01/12/2010 01:26:34 AM 893 Views
That ain't not a lot simpler Isaac - 01/12/2010 01:35:38 AM 838 Views
Yes. Darth_Katie - 01/12/2010 01:44:41 AM 793 Views
In short, demanding that everyone use your particular worldview is unfair. Ghavrel - 01/12/2010 02:21:26 AM 814 Views
Those worldviews are unsupported by empirical evidence. Dreaded Anomaly - 01/12/2010 01:41:27 AM 918 Views
No worldviews are supported by empirical evidence. *NM* ranagrande - 01/12/2010 01:57:23 AM 346 Views
Empiricism is unsupported by empirical evidence. *NM* Ghavrel - 01/12/2010 02:21:52 AM 309 Views
Empirical evidence is the only objective standard. Dreaded Anomaly - 01/12/2010 02:59:18 AM 766 Views
Empirical evidence cannot fully explain reality. ranagrande - 01/12/2010 03:28:41 AM 871 Views
Re: Question (use google now!): what's the net energy of the universe? Gaps - 01/12/2010 03:35:57 AM 777 Views
Re: Gaps - 01/12/2010 03:45:22 AM 971 Views
Re: Re: ranagrande - 01/12/2010 04:04:38 AM 767 Views
Time does not exist separately from space, as Einstein demonstrated almost a century ago. Dreaded Anomaly - 01/12/2010 03:36:56 AM 842 Views
I have my own theories about time, but they're not ready for presentation yet ranagrande - 01/12/2010 03:56:38 AM 1126 Views
Re: I have my own theories about time, but they're not ready for presentation yet Dreaded Anomaly - 01/12/2010 04:30:44 AM 1149 Views
Yes. I know what empiricism is. Ghavrel - 01/12/2010 05:17:05 AM 1066 Views
Re: You are a smart person. Gaps - 01/12/2010 03:09:13 AM 749 Views
Thanks. Dreaded Anomaly - 01/12/2010 03:30:46 AM 986 Views
Interesting. I agree with what you're saying, actually. Ghavrel - 30/11/2010 07:49:51 PM 694 Views
It won't change the argument in the least. Dannymac - 01/12/2010 05:26:16 AM 883 Views
I have the feeling it's probably not going to be that. Ghavrel - 30/11/2010 06:02:48 AM 772 Views
Ohh, exciting! ironclad - 30/11/2010 08:37:32 AM 740 Views
noooo! Yunalesca - 30/11/2010 10:19:27 AM 690 Views
Boring primitive things would be cool. Darth_Katie - 30/11/2010 02:54:10 PM 738 Views
Hey, there's a name I recognize, "Iron Lisa" Isaac - 30/11/2010 09:25:01 AM 898 Views
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE beetnemesis - 30/11/2010 02:33:30 PM 799 Views
I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords. *NM* ranagrande - 30/11/2010 02:35:04 PM 318 Views
"I, for one, welcome our new INSECT overlords"! Isaac - 01/12/2010 12:40:27 AM 773 Views
but we don't know if they're insects yet! ranagrande - 01/12/2010 12:55:52 AM 718 Views
I'll not bow to any mere Bacterial Overlords, Eukaryote Overlords only!!! *NM* Isaac - 01/12/2010 01:02:20 AM 329 Views
So you're prejudiced against the nuclearly challenged? ranagrande - 01/12/2010 01:09:57 AM 727 Views
It's this kind of blind adherence to political correctness that is tearing us apart! Darth_Katie - 01/12/2010 01:28:39 AM 705 Views
Down right genocidal toward them Isaac - 01/12/2010 01:31:47 AM 714 Views
Genocide is a bit extreme ranagrande - 01/12/2010 02:13:18 AM 730 Views
They had better have a green man *NM* Camilla - 30/11/2010 10:45:56 AM 297 Views
Because you need somebody to attack Aginor and Balthamel? *NM* TaskmasterJack - 01/12/2010 01:04:23 AM 301 Views
Oh no you didn't *NM* Camilla - 01/12/2010 01:14:55 AM 297 Views
Seriously. Craig - 01/12/2010 01:26:54 AM 691 Views
Re: But then you got turned on just thinking about the phrase? Gaps - 01/12/2010 02:23:02 AM 800 Views
I'm actually a tiny bit giddy about this. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 01/12/2010 01:04:49 AM 304 Views
Re: Arsenic. *NM* Gaps - 01/12/2010 02:09:51 AM 316 Views
Re: Perhaps just as awesomely: Gaps - 01/12/2010 02:21:35 AM 848 Views
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