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Time does not exist separately from space, as Einstein demonstrated almost a century ago. Dreaded Anomaly Send a noteboard - 01/12/2010 03:36:56 AM
Logic, empirical evidence, and the scientific method are undoubtedly useful, and they can explain our immediate surroundings quite well, but they are inadequate when taken to the extremes.

For instance, you can follow a trail of evidence back through time to the Big Bang, and then it breaks down. What caused that explosion? Where did it come from? The cyclical universe theory can push back further, but there must at some point have been a beginning.

If there was a beginning, what caused it? If not, what was there before? There are really only three possibilities. The first is that the universe came into being out of nothing, in violation of the laws of physics. The second is that the universe itself is eternal and has always existed in one form or another. The third is that it was created by a higher power.

There is not, and I suspect that there never can be, any empirical evidence to prove or disprove any of those possibilities. No matter what sort of reality you choose to believe in, you believe in it by faith.

Since you're free to place your faith in anything you wish, you could of course choose to believe in the eternal house cat that is the universe, and that would indeed be just as valid a conception of true reality as any that you can reach through evidence alone.


The laws of physics only apply within the universe. Trying to apply them "outside" or "before" the universe is simply nonsensical, because those spatial and temporal concepts only exist as part of the universe.

It's irrational to believe in something without a reason, i.e. evidence (or a logical proof whose assumptions fit known evidence). No evidence or logic suggests the universe has any human characteristics (or cat characteristics, just to be thorough), so there is no reason to believe that.
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