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I have my own theories about time, but they're not ready for presentation yet ranagrande Send a noteboard - 01/12/2010 03:56:38 AM
The laws of physics only apply within the universe. Trying to apply them "outside" or "before" the universe is simply nonsensical, because those spatial and temporal concepts only exist as part of the universe.

So you choose to believe in option 2, the eternal universe? It's as valid an interpretation as any other.

It's irrational to believe in something without a reason, i.e. evidence (or a logical proof whose assumptions fit known evidence). No evidence or logic suggests the universe has any human characteristics (or cat characteristics, just to be thorough), so there is no reason to believe that.

For the record, I tend to agree that the universe is not innately human- or cat-like. However, I find it just as irrational to believe that the universe has always existed or that it sprang from nothing. No evidence or logic supports those theories either.
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Is NASA set to reveal on Thursday signs of possible extraterrestial life within the solar system? Larry - 30/11/2010 03:49:40 AM 1295 Views
Interesting. Darth_Katie - 30/11/2010 04:43:15 AM 724 Views
crap! I will be watching this! dacole - 30/11/2010 05:04:58 AM 880 Views
Goddammit Wikileaks get on this *NM* beetnemesis - 30/11/2010 05:05:19 AM 368 Views
There's no one to smear, why would wikileaks be interested? *NM* Macharius - 30/11/2010 01:45:58 PM 354 Views
photsynthesis using arsnic hmm I am going to have to check this out dacole - 30/11/2010 05:07:22 AM 878 Views
If there is life in the solar system then it is likely a natural development in the universe. Tom - 30/11/2010 05:12:38 AM 763 Views
Re: If there is life in the solar system then it is likely a natural development in the universe. dacole - 30/11/2010 05:18:05 AM 936 Views
Seems to put atheists in a bit of a catch-22 there. Ghavrel - 30/11/2010 05:54:25 AM 929 Views
Bwa? Craig - 30/11/2010 06:45:33 AM 815 Views
Sorry, yeah. That is not my position. Ghavrel - 30/11/2010 07:03:17 AM 805 Views
The best will be when we find other intelligent life beetnemesis - 30/11/2010 02:32:35 PM 715 Views
Well, I don't actually agree with the first part of your Catch-22. At least, not entirely. Tom - 30/11/2010 02:43:13 PM 849 Views
Using anthropomorphic terms to describe the universe only reflects on you, not on the universe. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 30/11/2010 07:31:04 PM 363 Views
What an arbitrary and meaningless statement. *NM* Ghavrel - 30/11/2010 07:52:13 PM 305 Views
Anthropomorphizing concepts is a cognitive bias. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/11/2010 11:19:23 PM 719 Views
Only given a certain metaphysical framework. Ghavrel - 01/12/2010 12:18:09 AM 763 Views
Mind dumbing that down a bit? Isaac - 01/12/2010 12:43:47 AM 716 Views
I think he is saying Darth_Katie - 01/12/2010 01:26:34 AM 891 Views
That ain't not a lot simpler Isaac - 01/12/2010 01:35:38 AM 838 Views
Yes. Darth_Katie - 01/12/2010 01:44:41 AM 791 Views
In short, demanding that everyone use your particular worldview is unfair. Ghavrel - 01/12/2010 02:21:26 AM 812 Views
Those worldviews are unsupported by empirical evidence. Dreaded Anomaly - 01/12/2010 01:41:27 AM 918 Views
No worldviews are supported by empirical evidence. *NM* ranagrande - 01/12/2010 01:57:23 AM 346 Views
Empiricism is unsupported by empirical evidence. *NM* Ghavrel - 01/12/2010 02:21:52 AM 309 Views
Empirical evidence is the only objective standard. Dreaded Anomaly - 01/12/2010 02:59:18 AM 764 Views
Empirical evidence cannot fully explain reality. ranagrande - 01/12/2010 03:28:41 AM 871 Views
Re: Question (use google now!): what's the net energy of the universe? Gaps - 01/12/2010 03:35:57 AM 775 Views
Re: Gaps - 01/12/2010 03:45:22 AM 971 Views
Re: Re: ranagrande - 01/12/2010 04:04:38 AM 766 Views
Time does not exist separately from space, as Einstein demonstrated almost a century ago. Dreaded Anomaly - 01/12/2010 03:36:56 AM 842 Views
I have my own theories about time, but they're not ready for presentation yet ranagrande - 01/12/2010 03:56:38 AM 1126 Views
Re: I have my own theories about time, but they're not ready for presentation yet Dreaded Anomaly - 01/12/2010 04:30:44 AM 1148 Views
Yes. I know what empiricism is. Ghavrel - 01/12/2010 05:17:05 AM 1066 Views
Re: You are a smart person. Gaps - 01/12/2010 03:09:13 AM 747 Views
Thanks. Dreaded Anomaly - 01/12/2010 03:30:46 AM 985 Views
Interesting. I agree with what you're saying, actually. Ghavrel - 30/11/2010 07:49:51 PM 694 Views
It won't change the argument in the least. Dannymac - 01/12/2010 05:26:16 AM 883 Views
I have the feeling it's probably not going to be that. Ghavrel - 30/11/2010 06:02:48 AM 771 Views
Ohh, exciting! ironclad - 30/11/2010 08:37:32 AM 738 Views
noooo! Yunalesca - 30/11/2010 10:19:27 AM 688 Views
Boring primitive things would be cool. Darth_Katie - 30/11/2010 02:54:10 PM 736 Views
Hey, there's a name I recognize, "Iron Lisa" Isaac - 30/11/2010 09:25:01 AM 896 Views
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE beetnemesis - 30/11/2010 02:33:30 PM 797 Views
I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords. *NM* ranagrande - 30/11/2010 02:35:04 PM 318 Views
"I, for one, welcome our new INSECT overlords"! Isaac - 01/12/2010 12:40:27 AM 771 Views
but we don't know if they're insects yet! ranagrande - 01/12/2010 12:55:52 AM 717 Views
I'll not bow to any mere Bacterial Overlords, Eukaryote Overlords only!!! *NM* Isaac - 01/12/2010 01:02:20 AM 329 Views
So you're prejudiced against the nuclearly challenged? ranagrande - 01/12/2010 01:09:57 AM 726 Views
It's this kind of blind adherence to political correctness that is tearing us apart! Darth_Katie - 01/12/2010 01:28:39 AM 703 Views
Down right genocidal toward them Isaac - 01/12/2010 01:31:47 AM 714 Views
Genocide is a bit extreme ranagrande - 01/12/2010 02:13:18 AM 728 Views
They had better have a green man *NM* Camilla - 30/11/2010 10:45:56 AM 297 Views
Because you need somebody to attack Aginor and Balthamel? *NM* TaskmasterJack - 01/12/2010 01:04:23 AM 301 Views
Oh no you didn't *NM* Camilla - 01/12/2010 01:14:55 AM 297 Views
Seriously. Craig - 01/12/2010 01:26:54 AM 690 Views
Re: But then you got turned on just thinking about the phrase? Gaps - 01/12/2010 02:23:02 AM 799 Views
I'm actually a tiny bit giddy about this. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 01/12/2010 01:04:49 AM 304 Views
Re: Arsenic. *NM* Gaps - 01/12/2010 02:09:51 AM 316 Views
Re: Perhaps just as awesomely: Gaps - 01/12/2010 02:21:35 AM 847 Views
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