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Really? Cannoli says differently, and I believe he's right on that one. Joel Send a noteboard - 18/01/2011 10:50:51 PM
Try your little FB experiment with a US Congressmans name in place of Chinas and see how long it takes the Secret Service to call.... 8}

Probably never - the secret service does not guard congressmen

Bobby Kennedy had two Secret Service agents guarding him the night he was murdered (allegations neither was in the room at the time provide much grist for conspiracy theories, but since I can't vet the allegations I'm not prepared to say either way).

They were presidential candidates, placing them under the Secret Service. There position as members of congress was irrelevant, they guard the First Lady too, were she a senator they would guard her, because she was the first lady. They will guard governors, congressmen, children, if they happen to be POTUS, VP, or relatives. They have authority for a few other obvious cases as well. I've no idea why you are going on about RFK, but incidentally they could guard him as both a POTUS candidate and as a relative of a former POTUS.

I referenced him because he was a member of Congress, not President, which I believe Cannoli is right in saying is at least as relevant as his relationship to a President, that Secret Service protection is available to all Congressmen by request (IIRC they only gave it to Senator Obama after he requested it during the campaign). Congressmens safety is very much under their jurisdiction; who else would be responsible, the local police?
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McCain and Obama both had Secret Service protection throughout the campaign, as did all the candidates, and you can bet if someone makes a public threat against a Congressman the Secret Service will be all over it. But, again, if you're so sure they don't mind, feel free to post something to test your theory.

No, they would be all over a threat to a presidential candidate...g et your jurisdictions straight, and what theory of mine are you talking about that I should test? If the Secret Service becomes aware of a threat, they can pass it on to the proper jurisdiction but its not theirs. They are law enforcers, so I doubt they'd idly ignore a threat to anyone that came across their radar, but it has nothing to do with their status as a member of the legislative branch.

I referenced RFK because he was a member of Congress, not President, which I believe Cannoli is right in saying is at least as relevant as his relationship to a President, that Secret Service protection is available to all Congressmen by request (IIRC they only gave it to Senator Obama after he requested it during the campaign). Congressmens safety is very much under their jurisdiction; are you seriously saying that if they knew of a credible threat to a member of the federal government they'd just call the local police and leave it to them? Can you imagine the political firestorm and bureaucratic scandal if Sheriff Lobo wasn't up to the task, either screwed it up or couldn't get there before an professional assassin? If so, that's the theory I suggested you test: Like I told the last guy, if you think a public threat against a Congressmen is no big deal, try making one and see how that ends for you. Something tells me you're not going to make that mistake any more than he did, which speaks volumes about how firmly you believe it's a trivial matter.
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OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. Joel - 16/01/2011 12:18:22 PM 2081 Views
Why are they calling it "blood libel"? Camilla - 16/01/2011 12:23:47 PM 933 Views
Because if the facts were as they represent them those words would be applicable. Joel - 16/01/2011 12:49:22 PM 1114 Views
It's not entirely clear to me whether you're aware of this or not, but... Legolas - 16/01/2011 01:12:22 PM 1160 Views
That's why I said, "popularized". Joel - 16/01/2011 01:46:52 PM 1104 Views
I think Alan Dershowitz dealt with this nonsense already Isaac - 16/01/2011 02:34:10 PM 1471 Views
Interesting. I didn't realize it was so wide-spread. Legolas - 16/01/2011 03:10:28 PM 1013 Views
She wasn't even the first to use the term that week either Isaac - 16/01/2011 10:10:35 PM 1041 Views
I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. Legolas - 16/01/2011 10:18:54 PM 1029 Views
Re: I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. Isaac - 16/01/2011 11:30:38 PM 941 Views
Oh please don't you start to random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:34:43 PM 885 Views
I for one hadn't noticed it before. Legolas - 17/01/2011 10:25:57 PM 1067 Views
it was used here and nobody commented random thoughts - 17/01/2011 10:37:07 PM 954 Views
LOL, I totally forgot that got posted here Isaac - 17/01/2011 10:54:26 PM 998 Views
It's funny you should say that... Legolas - 18/01/2011 10:32:59 PM 1039 Views
Precisely: I noticed, but it hadn't become a rallying cry for "the real victim" (Palin). Joel - 19/01/2011 12:14:48 AM 1160 Views
I thought you were the real vicitim random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:49:06 PM 1118 Views
When and where did I say that? The ultimate victim is America, but six members of it just died. Joel - 19/01/2011 11:24:27 PM 846 Views
Re: It's funny you should say that... Isaac - 19/01/2011 03:29:52 PM 1020 Views
It was permissible to ignore until it became a rallying cry. Joel - 20/01/2011 04:27:23 PM 1057 Views
A rallying cry is hardly illegal Isaac - 20/01/2011 05:32:45 PM 1105 Views
I never said it was. Joel - 20/01/2011 06:59:39 PM 1203 Views
Oh, I noticed that one alright. Legolas - 18/01/2011 10:25:23 PM 877 Views
but is he accussed of being a tasteless moron who doesn't know what it means? random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:28:03 PM 921 Views
I don't know, if I have to judge him based on that one article, then tasteless moron, absolutely. Legolas - 19/01/2011 06:14:43 PM 1034 Views
compared to the way similar terms are used? random thoughts - 19/01/2011 06:58:02 PM 1022 Views
I meant I hadn't seen it used in different contexts before. Legolas - 19/01/2011 07:35:00 PM 1002 Views
The peole who called her stupid for using the term didn't know it was so wide spread either random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:33:19 PM 906 Views
Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. Joel - 16/01/2011 10:24:09 PM 1087 Views
Re: Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. Isaac - 16/01/2011 11:09:21 PM 1120 Views
Again, Giffords specifically made the connection between Palins imagery and an attack on her. Joel - 17/01/2011 12:53:08 AM 1267 Views
That means precisely nothing Isaac - 17/01/2011 03:59:07 PM 955 Views
It means everything. Joel - 18/01/2011 08:34:55 PM 1216 Views
I'm trying to understand your logic Chas - 19/01/2011 12:50:28 AM 823 Views
There are two points: Joel - 19/01/2011 02:47:48 AM 1030 Views
I don't agree, but I understand. *NM* Chas - 19/01/2011 10:14:13 PM 487 Views
Giffords' statements and Palins are matters of public record; they're indisputable. Joel - 19/01/2011 11:34:53 PM 1009 Views
I must say, if more people on both sides could say that we'd all be better for it. Joel - 20/01/2011 04:32:55 AM 1037 Views
Re: It means everything. Isaac - 19/01/2011 05:55:02 PM 853 Views
That's simply illogical. Joel - 20/01/2011 01:08:51 AM 1238 Views
the old step one steal underwear step three profit argument random thoughts - 19/01/2011 06:01:14 PM 1111 Views
Your inability/unwillingness to follow basic and clearly delineated logic is not my failing. Joel - 20/01/2011 01:19:31 AM 969 Views
I admit I can't follow gnome logic *NM* random thoughts - 20/01/2011 05:50:22 AM 480 Views
I demonstrated the connection, whether or not you choose to look the other way. Joel - 20/01/2011 03:16:28 PM 1003 Views
that is some twisted and bizarre logic random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:38:41 PM 1055 Views
Giffords said Palins crosshairs imagery would have "consequences"; Palin calls the suggestion libel. Joel - 18/01/2011 08:54:45 PM 950 Views
yes but the only consequences is liberals using them to slander Palin random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:58:35 PM 1022 Views
I read Toms reply; I don't think he exactly vindicated your position, nor meant to do so. Joel - 20/01/2011 01:52:37 AM 1298 Views
It was an example of blaming the victim, a phrase you keep misusing random thoughts - 20/01/2011 06:28:21 PM 981 Views
I thought you said only liberals blinded by political bias committed that grave sin. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:47:09 PM 1028 Views
so in other words you again missed the point random thoughts - 20/01/2011 08:26:49 PM 963 Views
Well, one of us did. Joel - 20/01/2011 09:24:35 PM 1094 Views
so lets be clear do you or don't you understand what it means to "blame the vicitm"? random thoughts - 20/01/2011 10:03:48 PM 712 Views
I understand it well; can we be equally clear you say the victim here is Palin? Joel - 20/01/2011 10:44:08 PM 1161 Views
So I am a little confused on something... MightyYT - 16/01/2011 02:38:59 PM 1102 Views
Palin putting Giffords district in the crosshairs and Giffords implying at the time she feared this Joel - 16/01/2011 11:21:36 PM 1238 Views
If I understand what you are saying correctly... MightyYT - 17/01/2011 07:07:56 AM 981 Views
I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. Joel - 17/01/2011 08:33:47 AM 994 Views
Re: I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. Isaac - 17/01/2011 04:24:01 PM 1054 Views
The Secret Service does guard Congressmen, just not all of them automatically. Joel - 18/01/2011 09:13:39 PM 872 Views
No, they don't Isaac - 18/01/2011 10:19:34 PM 1067 Views
Really? Cannoli says differently, and I believe he's right on that one. Joel - 18/01/2011 10:50:51 PM 1147 Views
You seem to be reading what you want to from what I said Isaac - 19/01/2011 01:27:32 PM 1002 Views
I read what you said & understood it as you restate here, hence I referenced local police (twice) Joel - 20/01/2011 02:15:17 AM 1036 Views
The problem here is your ignoring normal policing powers to concoct an absurdity Isaac - 20/01/2011 04:20:25 PM 1096 Views
More absurd than the notion such incitement warrants no notice? Joel - 20/01/2011 05:42:47 PM 1118 Views
really because people post that kind of crap daily and nothing happens random thoughts - 20/01/2011 05:57:52 PM 946 Views
I thought waterboarding was OK and any suggestion to the contrary was terrorist sympathizing. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:54:05 PM 883 Views
way to dodge the point again random thoughts - 20/01/2011 08:34:33 PM 911 Views
Do you have an example of a credible threat of injury to a Congressman, or calls for one? Joel - 20/01/2011 10:02:53 PM 984 Views
Your shifting your original premise, *again* Isaac - 20/01/2011 08:24:18 PM 966 Views
No, you're simply missing the point of it. Joel - 20/01/2011 11:09:57 PM 982 Views
There is no point Isaac - 21/01/2011 12:22:30 AM 1012 Views
If I had no point I wouldn't bother, but fair enough. Joel - 21/01/2011 01:20:32 AM 1260 Views
Uh...Last I checked conservatives didn't list the Communist Manifesto as a favourite book. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 03:05:07 PM 1278 Views
You're awesome at missing points, aren't you? Dannymac - 16/01/2011 07:26:30 PM 1024 Views
where is the accountability for those committing slander? random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:52:40 PM 946 Views
Libs hate Mein Kampf and We the Living; conservatives hate the Communist Manifesto: He's neither. Joel - 16/01/2011 10:06:02 PM 970 Views
conseartives hate Mein Kampf and liberals stil read the Communist Manifesto random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:57:22 PM 962 Views
That first line is says it all. Joel - 18/01/2011 09:34:06 PM 1044 Views
Nazis had more in common with communist then capitalist random thoughts - 19/01/2011 04:10:09 PM 1152 Views
The founder of fascism called it "the merger of corporate and national power". Joel - 20/01/2011 02:51:09 AM 1037 Views
and that is supposed to mean something? random thoughts - 20/01/2011 06:06:18 PM 1039 Views
YOU are cherry picking. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:50:21 PM 977 Views
It is to be expected that this site would be libtard central... Shannow - 16/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 1249 Views
See my reply to Dragonsoul above. Dannymac - 16/01/2011 07:30:40 PM 1087 Views
Yeah, your first was better Isaac - 16/01/2011 09:48:58 PM 904 Views
Again, I don't think Palin intended this, but Giffords feared ten months ago that this could result. Joel - 16/01/2011 11:29:19 PM 1051 Views
And I call bullshit Cannoli - 18/01/2011 03:12:13 PM 1182 Views
If Palin wants to accuse Giffords of libel she should have the guts to do it to her face. Joel - 18/01/2011 10:39:07 PM 1146 Views
So if some jihadist shot Gifford, would you also blame Palin? Shannow - 19/01/2011 02:52:42 PM 1030 Views
don't get ti doesn't matter who is to blame it just matters if they can use it *NM* random thoughts - 19/01/2011 04:11:09 PM 482 Views
No, I'd blame the shooter first and the mullahs shouting, "JIHAD111" second, as I always do. Joel - 20/01/2011 03:11:33 AM 1127 Views
Then why are you even here? I pretty much agree with you entirely and I'm fairly liberal. *NM* Elaine - 18/01/2011 01:16:33 PM 567 Views
Palin didn't really have anything to do with this, but it makes sense she's blamed. Tom - 16/01/2011 10:19:51 PM 977 Views
Pretty much. Joel - 16/01/2011 11:44:35 PM 1044 Views
Did they ever catch the person(s) that vandalized Gifford's office? *NM* Tashmere - 17/01/2011 03:30:36 AM 479 Views
I didn't realize someone had, but it appears a militia leader was responsible (shocking, I know). Joel - 17/01/2011 07:04:08 AM 990 Views
politcal offices are vandalized on a regular basis *NM* random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:41:29 PM 448 Views
She only asked if they caught the guy, she didn't accuse anyone, Sarah. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:27:18 PM 932 Views
OK Olberman when did I imply otherwise? *NM* random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:48:41 PM 487 Views
"Political offices are vandalized on a regular basis". Joel - 20/01/2011 03:16:39 AM 1125 Views
Took you this long, huh? Macharius - 17/01/2011 01:53:31 PM 878 Views
I didn't want to look because I was afraid the charges against the far right demagogues might stick. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:07:26 PM 1214 Views
I am sick of the desperate attempts of liberals to find a way to use a tragedy random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:31:18 PM 911 Views
I'm just curious. callandor1000 - 17/01/2011 03:23:47 PM 874 Views
Re: I'm just curious. Camilla - 17/01/2011 03:28:04 PM 1021 Views
I always said I'd do that after Bush was re-elected. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:52:45 PM 896 Views
like I said a matter of faith random thoughts - 17/01/2011 04:27:51 PM 886 Views
I find it interesting... Jeordam - 17/01/2011 05:31:54 PM 1038 Views
I mention her looks solely because... callandor1000 - 20/01/2011 02:30:42 PM 921 Views
Had that convo with the cab driver on the way home from a New Years party. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:42:07 PM 1166 Views
If slander, not mine, Giffords' (at least you don't err like Palin and say, "libel" ). Joel - 18/01/2011 11:14:23 PM 1092 Views
mark you calendar today is the day Joel offically went around the bend into insanity random thoughts - 19/01/2011 05:28:06 PM 907 Views
A mirror will show me who's to blame? On whom have I put a crosshairs? Joel - 20/01/2011 03:23:43 AM 948 Views
so it is all a matter of faith for you random thoughts - 20/01/2011 05:48:44 AM 897 Views
No, it's fairly straight forward logic. Joel - 20/01/2011 03:25:56 PM 1011 Views
sorry Joel but you haven't random thoughts - 20/01/2011 03:29:49 PM 812 Views
It's there; in this thread alone people from both sides of the aisle have acknowledged that. Joel - 20/01/2011 05:51:21 PM 896 Views
only in your does the connection exisit random thoughts - 20/01/2011 06:39:35 PM 939 Views
No. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:35:09 PM 1018 Views
dude wake up random thoughts - 20/01/2011 08:54:33 PM 1153 Views
Fine, I have no problem dropping the "right" label in my condemnations. Joel - 20/01/2011 10:39:34 PM 1142 Views
So in your opinion... Jeordam - 17/01/2011 05:27:58 PM 890 Views
How 'bout simply color coding them? Joel - 18/01/2011 11:21:03 PM 936 Views
Why not just blame Giffords? Cannoli - 17/01/2011 06:07:14 PM 1230 Views
Indeed, why not; Sarah Palin does. Joel - 18/01/2011 06:58:01 PM 1066 Views
The left are the ones storing up hate with their pathetic slaner random thoughts - 18/01/2011 07:53:23 PM 1009 Views
At least 95% of the blame is Loughners; he's a nut, but that doesn't exonerate the demagogues. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:24:11 PM 1108 Views
0% belongs to political rhetoric from the right random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:47:56 PM 885 Views
Uh huh; it's absurd to mention right wing rhetoric when left wing rhetoric is the OBVIOUS culprit Joel - 19/01/2011 02:59:41 PM 921 Views
No leftist rhetoric? You just called a bunch of people 'dangeorus lunatics' Isaac - 19/01/2011 03:37:54 PM 876 Views
Rhetoric is one thing, but I didn't use violent imagery, did I? Joel - 20/01/2011 01:40:14 AM 1208 Views
no but the democratic party used very similar images in the same state random thoughts - 20/01/2011 06:41:19 PM 950 Views
It's news to me, but I condemn all violent inflammatory imagery and rhetoric. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:13:18 PM 909 Views
it was the national democrats random thoughts - 20/01/2011 08:32:01 PM 1013 Views
Then that's equally dangerous and reprehensible and more reason to loathe the DLC and DCCC. Joel - 20/01/2011 09:49:08 PM 1280 Views
The right is not the ones claiming rhetoric is the issue random thoughts - 19/01/2011 03:58:39 PM 922 Views
"WE aren't doing it, except for when we are". Admission of guilt is a poor defense. Joel - 20/01/2011 03:25:16 AM 902 Views
The irony of this thread is not lost on me. Jacob - 19/01/2011 04:09:01 PM 1074 Views
Exactly. *NM* Avendesora - 19/01/2011 04:51:40 PM 532 Views
Bizarre thread for that Soapbox Isaac - 19/01/2011 05:17:58 PM 819 Views
You missed the point, obviously. Jacob - 19/01/2011 06:04:23 PM 925 Views
so you are saying it is the same old RAFO random thoughts - 19/01/2011 06:47:24 PM 1000 Views
The thread has admittedly degenerated Isaac - 19/01/2011 07:02:12 PM 850 Views
Check your NB. Noted you a response. *NM* Jacob - 19/01/2011 07:04:58 PM 514 Views
That I knew it would go this way is why I avoided looking closely for so long. Joel - 19/01/2011 11:20:44 PM 1080 Views
Hey, now. I have to step in. Camilla - 20/01/2011 04:44:49 PM 1106 Views
I'm just saying a significant link can be demonstrated. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:07:27 PM 1151 Views
Re: OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. dart_board - 22/01/2011 05:49:44 PM 1091 Views
We can debate whether it's coincidental, but the connections are documented fact Joel - 22/01/2011 08:17:24 PM 1067 Views
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