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Precisely: I noticed, but it hadn't become a rallying cry for "the real victim" (Palin). Joel Send a noteboard - 19/01/2011 12:14:48 AM
I even referenced that article earlier in this thread, forgot we'd had it up here, 400 views and 64 replies and not one outraged remarked about the title.

or clever, rather, the way you suggest that somehow there are large amounts of "outraged remarks" in this thread when Palin says it, as contrasted to when the other guy did it - when of course that isn't the case at all. Joel himself is the only person you could conceivably count as having made such remarks, and you'll note his post title suggests that his irritation was caused by having heard the term used repeatedly, rather than by Palin alone. Like me, he replied in the other thread not with comments specific to the article posted there, but about the topic as a whole - and at that time, the use of the "blood libel" term hadn't become a big issue in the media yet.

One or two instances could just be hyperbole, and you know I have no problem with hyperbole as rhetorical emphasis; that's its function. However, when we begin taking it literally, well, the danger of figurative imagery taken literally should be evident by now. Also, I hadn't dug into the incident or its background much then, deliberately avoided doing so, because I knew it would cost me any objectivity and run the risk of discovering there might actually BE reason to think the guy influenced by right wing demgaguery (as, indeed, I think there is). Bad enough that I had to debate whether Hitler was a liberal and deal with "how dare the left call this horrible man a conservative when he's CLEARLY a liberal!" (the US has many politicians more liberal than Gabrielle Giffords, but the home of Goldwater and McCain sure as hell doesn't).

Now it's different, because I know what, most people, including Palin, seemed to miss: The attack on Giffords and the other victims was linked to crosshairs used at Palins website not because of bias or unvetted reporting, but because BEFORE the shooting Giffords herself had referenced those images and the "consequences" they threatened. That means she originated the objections to those images, which in turn means calling it "blood libel" is an accusation against her directly. I don't think Palin intended to accuse one of the victims any more than she intended the shootings, but that's the problem with politicians "shooting from the hip" (if I may use the term): It's very endearing and humanizing to voters if you look natural rather than rehearsed, but it also risks looking like a fool when you opine about things nearly everyone knows more about than you do. Again, I don't think for a second she intended someone to go on a shooting spree, but I do think her language helped create an environment that incited an already unstable and violent man to do something awful. Likewise, I don't think she intended to accuse one of the victims of libel, but if she'd spent the four days between the shootings and her comments checking Giffords' history rather than just making sure there were no direct links between herself and Loughner she wouldn't have made that error as well. Taken together the two are just more in the growing list of reasons why Sarah Palin lacks the judgement to run a hotdog stand, let alone the most powerful nation on Earth.
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OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. - 16/01/2011 12:18:22 PM 2094 Views
Why are they calling it "blood libel"? - 16/01/2011 12:23:47 PM 943 Views
Because if the facts were as they represent them those words would be applicable. - 16/01/2011 12:49:22 PM 1122 Views
It's not entirely clear to me whether you're aware of this or not, but... - 16/01/2011 01:12:22 PM 1168 Views
That's why I said, "popularized". - 16/01/2011 01:46:52 PM 1112 Views
I think Alan Dershowitz dealt with this nonsense already - 16/01/2011 02:34:10 PM 1479 Views
Interesting. I didn't realize it was so wide-spread. - 16/01/2011 03:10:28 PM 1021 Views
She wasn't even the first to use the term that week either - 16/01/2011 10:10:35 PM 1051 Views
I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. - 16/01/2011 10:18:54 PM 1041 Views
Re: I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. - 16/01/2011 11:30:38 PM 950 Views
Oh please don't you start to - 17/01/2011 02:34:43 PM 894 Views
I for one hadn't noticed it before. - 17/01/2011 10:25:57 PM 1078 Views
it was used here and nobody commented - 17/01/2011 10:37:07 PM 959 Views
LOL, I totally forgot that got posted here - 17/01/2011 10:54:26 PM 1006 Views
It's funny you should say that... - 18/01/2011 10:32:59 PM 1048 Views
Precisely: I noticed, but it hadn't become a rallying cry for "the real victim" (Palin). - 19/01/2011 12:14:48 AM 1175 Views
I thought you were the real vicitim - 19/01/2011 02:49:06 PM 1126 Views
Re: It's funny you should say that... - 19/01/2011 03:29:52 PM 1029 Views
It was permissible to ignore until it became a rallying cry. - 20/01/2011 04:27:23 PM 1071 Views
A rallying cry is hardly illegal - 20/01/2011 05:32:45 PM 1112 Views
I never said it was. - 20/01/2011 06:59:39 PM 1211 Views
Oh, I noticed that one alright. - 18/01/2011 10:25:23 PM 889 Views
compared to the way similar terms are used? - 19/01/2011 06:58:02 PM 1033 Views
I meant I hadn't seen it used in different contexts before. - 19/01/2011 07:35:00 PM 1010 Views
Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. - 16/01/2011 10:24:09 PM 1096 Views
Re: Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. - 16/01/2011 11:09:21 PM 1129 Views
Again, Giffords specifically made the connection between Palins imagery and an attack on her. - 17/01/2011 12:53:08 AM 1275 Views
That means precisely nothing - 17/01/2011 03:59:07 PM 964 Views
It means everything. - 18/01/2011 08:34:55 PM 1225 Views
I'm trying to understand your logic - 19/01/2011 12:50:28 AM 830 Views
There are two points: - 19/01/2011 02:47:48 AM 1036 Views
Re: It means everything. - 19/01/2011 05:55:02 PM 862 Views
That's simply illogical. - 20/01/2011 01:08:51 AM 1247 Views
the old step one steal underwear step three profit argument - 19/01/2011 06:01:14 PM 1118 Views
that is some twisted and bizarre logic - 17/01/2011 02:38:41 PM 1065 Views
So I am a little confused on something... - 16/01/2011 02:38:59 PM 1109 Views
Palin putting Giffords district in the crosshairs and Giffords implying at the time she feared this - 16/01/2011 11:21:36 PM 1249 Views
If I understand what you are saying correctly... - 17/01/2011 07:07:56 AM 988 Views
I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. - 17/01/2011 08:33:47 AM 1004 Views
Re: I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. - 17/01/2011 04:24:01 PM 1060 Views
The Secret Service does guard Congressmen, just not all of them automatically. - 18/01/2011 09:13:39 PM 878 Views
No, they don't - 18/01/2011 10:19:34 PM 1074 Views
Really? Cannoli says differently, and I believe he's right on that one. - 18/01/2011 10:50:51 PM 1156 Views
You seem to be reading what you want to from what I said - 19/01/2011 01:27:32 PM 1011 Views
I read what you said & understood it as you restate here, hence I referenced local police (twice) - 20/01/2011 02:15:17 AM 1046 Views
The problem here is your ignoring normal policing powers to concoct an absurdity - 20/01/2011 04:20:25 PM 1104 Views
More absurd than the notion such incitement warrants no notice? - 20/01/2011 05:42:47 PM 1127 Views
Your shifting your original premise, *again* - 20/01/2011 08:24:18 PM 973 Views
No, you're simply missing the point of it. - 20/01/2011 11:09:57 PM 989 Views
There is no point - 21/01/2011 12:22:30 AM 1022 Views
If I had no point I wouldn't bother, but fair enough. - 21/01/2011 01:20:32 AM 1270 Views
Uh...Last I checked conservatives didn't list the Communist Manifesto as a favourite book. - 16/01/2011 03:05:07 PM 1288 Views
You're awesome at missing points, aren't you? - 16/01/2011 07:26:30 PM 1031 Views
where is the accountability for those committing slander? - 17/01/2011 02:52:40 PM 956 Views
Libs hate Mein Kampf and We the Living; conservatives hate the Communist Manifesto: He's neither. - 16/01/2011 10:06:02 PM 981 Views
conseartives hate Mein Kampf and liberals stil read the Communist Manifesto - 17/01/2011 02:57:22 PM 972 Views
That first line is says it all. - 18/01/2011 09:34:06 PM 1052 Views
Nazis had more in common with communist then capitalist - 19/01/2011 04:10:09 PM 1160 Views
The founder of fascism called it "the merger of corporate and national power". - 20/01/2011 02:51:09 AM 1045 Views
and that is supposed to mean something? - 20/01/2011 06:06:18 PM 1046 Views
YOU are cherry picking. - 20/01/2011 07:50:21 PM 984 Views
It is to be expected that this site would be libtard central... - 16/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 1265 Views
See my reply to Dragonsoul above. - 16/01/2011 07:30:40 PM 1095 Views
Yeah, your first was better - 16/01/2011 09:48:58 PM 911 Views
Palin didn't really have anything to do with this, but it makes sense she's blamed. - 16/01/2011 10:19:51 PM 992 Views
Pretty much. - 16/01/2011 11:44:35 PM 1054 Views
Did they ever catch the person(s) that vandalized Gifford's office? *NM* - 17/01/2011 03:30:36 AM 485 Views
politcal offices are vandalized on a regular basis *NM* - 17/01/2011 02:41:29 PM 454 Views
She only asked if they caught the guy, she didn't accuse anyone, Sarah. - 18/01/2011 11:27:18 PM 942 Views
OK Olberman when did I imply otherwise? *NM* - 19/01/2011 02:48:41 PM 493 Views
"Political offices are vandalized on a regular basis". - 20/01/2011 03:16:39 AM 1133 Views
Took you this long, huh? - 17/01/2011 01:53:31 PM 890 Views
I am sick of the desperate attempts of liberals to find a way to use a tragedy - 17/01/2011 02:31:18 PM 921 Views
I'm just curious. - 17/01/2011 03:23:47 PM 882 Views
Re: I'm just curious. - 17/01/2011 03:28:04 PM 1029 Views
I always said I'd do that after Bush was re-elected. - 18/01/2011 11:52:45 PM 903 Views
like I said a matter of faith - 17/01/2011 04:27:51 PM 894 Views
I find it interesting... - 17/01/2011 05:31:54 PM 1045 Views
I mention her looks solely because... - 20/01/2011 02:30:42 PM 931 Views
If slander, not mine, Giffords' (at least you don't err like Palin and say, "libel" ). - 18/01/2011 11:14:23 PM 1103 Views
mark you calendar today is the day Joel offically went around the bend into insanity - 19/01/2011 05:28:06 PM 916 Views
A mirror will show me who's to blame? On whom have I put a crosshairs? - 20/01/2011 03:23:43 AM 972 Views
so it is all a matter of faith for you - 20/01/2011 05:48:44 AM 904 Views
No, it's fairly straight forward logic. - 20/01/2011 03:25:56 PM 1017 Views
sorry Joel but you haven't - 20/01/2011 03:29:49 PM 818 Views
It's there; in this thread alone people from both sides of the aisle have acknowledged that. - 20/01/2011 05:51:21 PM 906 Views
only in your does the connection exisit - 20/01/2011 06:39:35 PM 948 Views
No. - 20/01/2011 07:35:09 PM 1028 Views
dude wake up - 20/01/2011 08:54:33 PM 1160 Views
So in your opinion... - 17/01/2011 05:27:58 PM 901 Views
How 'bout simply color coding them? - 18/01/2011 11:21:03 PM 944 Views
Why not just blame Giffords? - 17/01/2011 06:07:14 PM 1238 Views
Indeed, why not; Sarah Palin does. - 18/01/2011 06:58:01 PM 1075 Views
The irony of this thread is not lost on me. - 19/01/2011 04:09:01 PM 1082 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 19/01/2011 04:51:40 PM 537 Views
Bizarre thread for that Soapbox - 19/01/2011 05:17:58 PM 827 Views
You missed the point, obviously. - 19/01/2011 06:04:23 PM 933 Views
so you are saying it is the same old RAFO - 19/01/2011 06:47:24 PM 1006 Views
The thread has admittedly degenerated - 19/01/2011 07:02:12 PM 857 Views
Check your NB. Noted you a response. *NM* - 19/01/2011 07:04:58 PM 520 Views
That I knew it would go this way is why I avoided looking closely for so long. - 19/01/2011 11:20:44 PM 1087 Views
Hey, now. I have to step in. - 20/01/2011 04:44:49 PM 1114 Views
I'm just saying a significant link can be demonstrated. - 20/01/2011 07:07:27 PM 1161 Views
Re: OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. - 22/01/2011 05:49:44 PM 1099 Views

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