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I understand it well; can we be equally clear you say the victim here is Palin? Joel Send a noteboard - 20/01/2011 10:44:08 PM
'Cos when you say Tom blamed the victim by stating, "Palin is the victim of her own inflated ego and her colossal stupidity, in this instance and generally in life, " that IS what you're doing, but it seems a lot of folks on the far right have trouble realizing the full scope of their defensive accusations.
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OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. Joel - 16/01/2011 12:18:22 PM 2138 Views
Why are they calling it "blood libel"? Camilla - 16/01/2011 12:23:47 PM 994 Views
Because if the facts were as they represent them those words would be applicable. Joel - 16/01/2011 12:49:22 PM 1164 Views
It's not entirely clear to me whether you're aware of this or not, but... Legolas - 16/01/2011 01:12:22 PM 1213 Views
That's why I said, "popularized". Joel - 16/01/2011 01:46:52 PM 1168 Views
I think Alan Dershowitz dealt with this nonsense already Isaac - 16/01/2011 02:34:10 PM 1534 Views
Interesting. I didn't realize it was so wide-spread. Legolas - 16/01/2011 03:10:28 PM 1069 Views
She wasn't even the first to use the term that week either Isaac - 16/01/2011 10:10:35 PM 1098 Views
I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. Legolas - 16/01/2011 10:18:54 PM 1090 Views
Re: I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. Isaac - 16/01/2011 11:30:38 PM 994 Views
Oh please don't you start to random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:34:43 PM 937 Views
I for one hadn't noticed it before. Legolas - 17/01/2011 10:25:57 PM 1127 Views
it was used here and nobody commented random thoughts - 17/01/2011 10:37:07 PM 1009 Views
LOL, I totally forgot that got posted here Isaac - 17/01/2011 10:54:26 PM 1049 Views
It's funny you should say that... Legolas - 18/01/2011 10:32:59 PM 1093 Views
Precisely: I noticed, but it hadn't become a rallying cry for "the real victim" (Palin). Joel - 19/01/2011 12:14:48 AM 1237 Views
I thought you were the real vicitim random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:49:06 PM 1174 Views
When and where did I say that? The ultimate victim is America, but six members of it just died. Joel - 19/01/2011 11:24:27 PM 903 Views
Re: It's funny you should say that... Isaac - 19/01/2011 03:29:52 PM 1074 Views
It was permissible to ignore until it became a rallying cry. Joel - 20/01/2011 04:27:23 PM 1112 Views
A rallying cry is hardly illegal Isaac - 20/01/2011 05:32:45 PM 1167 Views
I never said it was. Joel - 20/01/2011 06:59:39 PM 1259 Views
Oh, I noticed that one alright. Legolas - 18/01/2011 10:25:23 PM 934 Views
but is he accussed of being a tasteless moron who doesn't know what it means? random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:28:03 PM 977 Views
I don't know, if I have to judge him based on that one article, then tasteless moron, absolutely. Legolas - 19/01/2011 06:14:43 PM 1094 Views
compared to the way similar terms are used? random thoughts - 19/01/2011 06:58:02 PM 1082 Views
I meant I hadn't seen it used in different contexts before. Legolas - 19/01/2011 07:35:00 PM 1056 Views
The peole who called her stupid for using the term didn't know it was so wide spread either random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:33:19 PM 958 Views
Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. Joel - 16/01/2011 10:24:09 PM 1140 Views
Re: Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. Isaac - 16/01/2011 11:09:21 PM 1180 Views
Again, Giffords specifically made the connection between Palins imagery and an attack on her. Joel - 17/01/2011 12:53:08 AM 1325 Views
That means precisely nothing Isaac - 17/01/2011 03:59:07 PM 1024 Views
It means everything. Joel - 18/01/2011 08:34:55 PM 1272 Views
I'm trying to understand your logic Chas - 19/01/2011 12:50:28 AM 874 Views
There are two points: Joel - 19/01/2011 02:47:48 AM 1083 Views
I don't agree, but I understand. *NM* Chas - 19/01/2011 10:14:13 PM 515 Views
Giffords' statements and Palins are matters of public record; they're indisputable. Joel - 19/01/2011 11:34:53 PM 1061 Views
I must say, if more people on both sides could say that we'd all be better for it. Joel - 20/01/2011 04:32:55 AM 1093 Views
Re: It means everything. Isaac - 19/01/2011 05:55:02 PM 909 Views
That's simply illogical. Joel - 20/01/2011 01:08:51 AM 1293 Views
the old step one steal underwear step three profit argument random thoughts - 19/01/2011 06:01:14 PM 1162 Views
Your inability/unwillingness to follow basic and clearly delineated logic is not my failing. Joel - 20/01/2011 01:19:31 AM 1024 Views
I admit I can't follow gnome logic *NM* random thoughts - 20/01/2011 05:50:22 AM 505 Views
I demonstrated the connection, whether or not you choose to look the other way. Joel - 20/01/2011 03:16:28 PM 1057 Views
that is some twisted and bizarre logic random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:38:41 PM 1112 Views
Giffords said Palins crosshairs imagery would have "consequences"; Palin calls the suggestion libel. Joel - 18/01/2011 08:54:45 PM 1001 Views
yes but the only consequences is liberals using them to slander Palin random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:58:35 PM 1078 Views
I read Toms reply; I don't think he exactly vindicated your position, nor meant to do so. Joel - 20/01/2011 01:52:37 AM 1389 Views
It was an example of blaming the victim, a phrase you keep misusing random thoughts - 20/01/2011 06:28:21 PM 1036 Views
I thought you said only liberals blinded by political bias committed that grave sin. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:47:09 PM 1083 Views
so in other words you again missed the point random thoughts - 20/01/2011 08:26:49 PM 1015 Views
Well, one of us did. Joel - 20/01/2011 09:24:35 PM 1150 Views
so lets be clear do you or don't you understand what it means to "blame the vicitm"? random thoughts - 20/01/2011 10:03:48 PM 770 Views
I understand it well; can we be equally clear you say the victim here is Palin? Joel - 20/01/2011 10:44:08 PM 1218 Views
So I am a little confused on something... MightyYT - 16/01/2011 02:38:59 PM 1159 Views
Palin putting Giffords district in the crosshairs and Giffords implying at the time she feared this Joel - 16/01/2011 11:21:36 PM 1299 Views
If I understand what you are saying correctly... MightyYT - 17/01/2011 07:07:56 AM 1032 Views
I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. Joel - 17/01/2011 08:33:47 AM 1047 Views
Re: I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. Isaac - 17/01/2011 04:24:01 PM 1108 Views
The Secret Service does guard Congressmen, just not all of them automatically. Joel - 18/01/2011 09:13:39 PM 920 Views
No, they don't Isaac - 18/01/2011 10:19:34 PM 1123 Views
Really? Cannoli says differently, and I believe he's right on that one. Joel - 18/01/2011 10:50:51 PM 1219 Views
You seem to be reading what you want to from what I said Isaac - 19/01/2011 01:27:32 PM 1055 Views
I read what you said & understood it as you restate here, hence I referenced local police (twice) Joel - 20/01/2011 02:15:17 AM 1109 Views
The problem here is your ignoring normal policing powers to concoct an absurdity Isaac - 20/01/2011 04:20:25 PM 1194 Views
More absurd than the notion such incitement warrants no notice? Joel - 20/01/2011 05:42:47 PM 1172 Views
really because people post that kind of crap daily and nothing happens random thoughts - 20/01/2011 05:57:52 PM 997 Views
I thought waterboarding was OK and any suggestion to the contrary was terrorist sympathizing. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:54:05 PM 935 Views
way to dodge the point again random thoughts - 20/01/2011 08:34:33 PM 973 Views
Do you have an example of a credible threat of injury to a Congressman, or calls for one? Joel - 20/01/2011 10:02:53 PM 1038 Views
Your shifting your original premise, *again* Isaac - 20/01/2011 08:24:18 PM 1017 Views
No, you're simply missing the point of it. Joel - 20/01/2011 11:09:57 PM 1032 Views
There is no point Isaac - 21/01/2011 12:22:30 AM 1070 Views
If I had no point I wouldn't bother, but fair enough. Joel - 21/01/2011 01:20:32 AM 1318 Views
Uh...Last I checked conservatives didn't list the Communist Manifesto as a favourite book. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 03:05:07 PM 1340 Views
You're awesome at missing points, aren't you? Dannymac - 16/01/2011 07:26:30 PM 1078 Views
where is the accountability for those committing slander? random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:52:40 PM 1003 Views
Libs hate Mein Kampf and We the Living; conservatives hate the Communist Manifesto: He's neither. Joel - 16/01/2011 10:06:02 PM 1024 Views
conseartives hate Mein Kampf and liberals stil read the Communist Manifesto random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:57:22 PM 1010 Views
That first line is says it all. Joel - 18/01/2011 09:34:06 PM 1095 Views
Nazis had more in common with communist then capitalist random thoughts - 19/01/2011 04:10:09 PM 1201 Views
The founder of fascism called it "the merger of corporate and national power". Joel - 20/01/2011 02:51:09 AM 1092 Views
and that is supposed to mean something? random thoughts - 20/01/2011 06:06:18 PM 1096 Views
YOU are cherry picking. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:50:21 PM 1035 Views
It is to be expected that this site would be libtard central... Shannow - 16/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 1313 Views
See my reply to Dragonsoul above. Dannymac - 16/01/2011 07:30:40 PM 1143 Views
Yeah, your first was better Isaac - 16/01/2011 09:48:58 PM 954 Views
Again, I don't think Palin intended this, but Giffords feared ten months ago that this could result. Joel - 16/01/2011 11:29:19 PM 1106 Views
And I call bullshit Cannoli - 18/01/2011 03:12:13 PM 1238 Views
If Palin wants to accuse Giffords of libel she should have the guts to do it to her face. Joel - 18/01/2011 10:39:07 PM 1201 Views
So if some jihadist shot Gifford, would you also blame Palin? Shannow - 19/01/2011 02:52:42 PM 1091 Views
don't get ti doesn't matter who is to blame it just matters if they can use it *NM* random thoughts - 19/01/2011 04:11:09 PM 507 Views
No, I'd blame the shooter first and the mullahs shouting, "JIHAD111" second, as I always do. Joel - 20/01/2011 03:11:33 AM 1178 Views
Then why are you even here? I pretty much agree with you entirely and I'm fairly liberal. *NM* Elaine - 18/01/2011 01:16:33 PM 593 Views
Palin didn't really have anything to do with this, but it makes sense she's blamed. Tom - 16/01/2011 10:19:51 PM 1039 Views
Pretty much. Joel - 16/01/2011 11:44:35 PM 1099 Views
Did they ever catch the person(s) that vandalized Gifford's office? *NM* Tashmere - 17/01/2011 03:30:36 AM 505 Views
I didn't realize someone had, but it appears a militia leader was responsible (shocking, I know). Joel - 17/01/2011 07:04:08 AM 1046 Views
politcal offices are vandalized on a regular basis *NM* random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:41:29 PM 475 Views
She only asked if they caught the guy, she didn't accuse anyone, Sarah. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:27:18 PM 993 Views
OK Olberman when did I imply otherwise? *NM* random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:48:41 PM 516 Views
"Political offices are vandalized on a regular basis". Joel - 20/01/2011 03:16:39 AM 1182 Views
Took you this long, huh? Macharius - 17/01/2011 01:53:31 PM 933 Views
I didn't want to look because I was afraid the charges against the far right demagogues might stick. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:07:26 PM 1269 Views
I am sick of the desperate attempts of liberals to find a way to use a tragedy random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:31:18 PM 963 Views
I'm just curious. callandor1000 - 17/01/2011 03:23:47 PM 920 Views
Re: I'm just curious. Camilla - 17/01/2011 03:28:04 PM 1076 Views
I always said I'd do that after Bush was re-elected. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:52:45 PM 955 Views
like I said a matter of faith random thoughts - 17/01/2011 04:27:51 PM 937 Views
I find it interesting... Jeordam - 17/01/2011 05:31:54 PM 1088 Views
I mention her looks solely because... callandor1000 - 20/01/2011 02:30:42 PM 978 Views
Had that convo with the cab driver on the way home from a New Years party. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:42:07 PM 1226 Views
If slander, not mine, Giffords' (at least you don't err like Palin and say, "libel" ). Joel - 18/01/2011 11:14:23 PM 1143 Views
mark you calendar today is the day Joel offically went around the bend into insanity random thoughts - 19/01/2011 05:28:06 PM 967 Views
A mirror will show me who's to blame? On whom have I put a crosshairs? Joel - 20/01/2011 03:23:43 AM 1022 Views
so it is all a matter of faith for you random thoughts - 20/01/2011 05:48:44 AM 952 Views
No, it's fairly straight forward logic. Joel - 20/01/2011 03:25:56 PM 1062 Views
sorry Joel but you haven't random thoughts - 20/01/2011 03:29:49 PM 859 Views
It's there; in this thread alone people from both sides of the aisle have acknowledged that. Joel - 20/01/2011 05:51:21 PM 954 Views
only in your does the connection exisit random thoughts - 20/01/2011 06:39:35 PM 998 Views
No. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:35:09 PM 1077 Views
dude wake up random thoughts - 20/01/2011 08:54:33 PM 1206 Views
Fine, I have no problem dropping the "right" label in my condemnations. Joel - 20/01/2011 10:39:34 PM 1208 Views
So in your opinion... Jeordam - 17/01/2011 05:27:58 PM 947 Views
How 'bout simply color coding them? Joel - 18/01/2011 11:21:03 PM 992 Views
Why not just blame Giffords? Cannoli - 17/01/2011 06:07:14 PM 1283 Views
Indeed, why not; Sarah Palin does. Joel - 18/01/2011 06:58:01 PM 1120 Views
The left are the ones storing up hate with their pathetic slaner random thoughts - 18/01/2011 07:53:23 PM 1067 Views
At least 95% of the blame is Loughners; he's a nut, but that doesn't exonerate the demagogues. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:24:11 PM 1153 Views
0% belongs to political rhetoric from the right random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:47:56 PM 938 Views
Uh huh; it's absurd to mention right wing rhetoric when left wing rhetoric is the OBVIOUS culprit Joel - 19/01/2011 02:59:41 PM 983 Views
No leftist rhetoric? You just called a bunch of people 'dangeorus lunatics' Isaac - 19/01/2011 03:37:54 PM 930 Views
Rhetoric is one thing, but I didn't use violent imagery, did I? Joel - 20/01/2011 01:40:14 AM 1260 Views
no but the democratic party used very similar images in the same state random thoughts - 20/01/2011 06:41:19 PM 1004 Views
It's news to me, but I condemn all violent inflammatory imagery and rhetoric. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:13:18 PM 965 Views
it was the national democrats random thoughts - 20/01/2011 08:32:01 PM 1071 Views
Then that's equally dangerous and reprehensible and more reason to loathe the DLC and DCCC. Joel - 20/01/2011 09:49:08 PM 1334 Views
The right is not the ones claiming rhetoric is the issue random thoughts - 19/01/2011 03:58:39 PM 975 Views
"WE aren't doing it, except for when we are". Admission of guilt is a poor defense. Joel - 20/01/2011 03:25:16 AM 951 Views
The irony of this thread is not lost on me. Jacob - 19/01/2011 04:09:01 PM 1129 Views
Exactly. *NM* Avendesora - 19/01/2011 04:51:40 PM 557 Views
Bizarre thread for that Soapbox Isaac - 19/01/2011 05:17:58 PM 868 Views
You missed the point, obviously. Jacob - 19/01/2011 06:04:23 PM 974 Views
so you are saying it is the same old RAFO random thoughts - 19/01/2011 06:47:24 PM 1055 Views
The thread has admittedly degenerated Isaac - 19/01/2011 07:02:12 PM 898 Views
Check your NB. Noted you a response. *NM* Jacob - 19/01/2011 07:04:58 PM 538 Views
That I knew it would go this way is why I avoided looking closely for so long. Joel - 19/01/2011 11:20:44 PM 1139 Views
Hey, now. I have to step in. Camilla - 20/01/2011 04:44:49 PM 1160 Views
I'm just saying a significant link can be demonstrated. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:07:27 PM 1201 Views
Re: OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. dart_board - 22/01/2011 05:49:44 PM 1147 Views
We can debate whether it's coincidental, but the connections are documented fact Joel - 22/01/2011 08:17:24 PM 1122 Views
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