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No, you're simply missing the point of it. Joel Send a noteboard - 20/01/2011 11:09:57 PM
That WAS the original claim, you may recall; now we're debating who'd respond, which indicates we agree SOMEONE would. Saying, "local police would respond, not the Secret Service" rather misses my point that a prompt and serious response WOULD be made. I think it's implausible so say the Secret Service would simply notify others of a credible threat against a Congressman then leave it to them, but you seem to be disputing the details of my argument, not its import. Regardless, I didn't miss your statement that local law enforcement rather than the Secret Service would respond, I explicitly acknowledged it in full while disagreeing and you missed the acknowledgement.

YT posted a comment about posting a FB comment "Something should be done about China" and you said that if he replaced that with Congressmen the SS would show up at his door. I said that they never would. This is correct, your stance was not. There is no plausible scenario where the specific qualifier of congressmen would cause the SS to show up over a threat of that variety where that qualifier wouldn't make 'congressmen' irrelevant. It would save us both time if you would just admit you were wrong on this point. You said something that was factually incorrect, I replied with a short explanation "Probably never - the secret service does not guard congressmen" my statement is correct, not technically correct or usually correct, not 'debatable', its a simple fact and you're spinning around trying to change our points or something. Whatever the origin of your frustration, you wandered off on some tangent to make some point maybe, it does not change that your original statement is wrong and I corrected it and the last dozen messages have been me re-stating a fact while you blunder around trying to find some exception or rephrase. This began as nothing different from you saying the equivalent of "Try speeding past a FBI office, see how long before the FBI arrests you" and my replying 'probably never - they'd just call the cops' only even that's a stretch because in this scenario the crime at least actually took place under their nose. Why would the SS even be monitoring facebook for comments like "Something should be done about Rep John Johnson"?

We're not talking a Class C misdemeanor, we're talking about Murder 1; the two are handled SOMEWHAT differently. However, since YTs point was that there would be no blame assigned if Russia attacked China after a vague post calling for such an attack, and my point was that if someone posted the equivalent about a US Congressman the reaction would be swift and immediate, WHO'D respond was irrelevant. Yes, I used the Secret Service because they seemed most likely, and still do to me, but even if I'm wrong that doesn't change the fact the debate was never about the Secret Service. If you want to make it about your quibble over who'd respond and the precise facts of the two posts, you said, "Probably never - the secret service does not guard congressmen". You've stated yourself that it's a FACT US Congressman running for V/P are guarded by the Secret Service within 120 days of the election, and ANY of them can be by executive order; you've also acknowledged there's no legal bar to the Secret Service offering protection to Congressmen over and above what's authorized. So if you want to play semantic games your statement is still FACTUALLY untrue on its face, but that was never my point even if it was yours. If there's no possible way the Secret Service would respond, fine, I'm wrong (though if you want to parse it so finely you've stated that's not necessarily the case) but my argument was that YT was wrong to think public threats beneath notice, that such threats would be promptly and aggressively investigated by SOMEONE, and that's the only point I really care about "winning" if this is to be reduced to that yet again, so I won't contest the other further.
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OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. - 16/01/2011 12:18:22 PM 2153 Views
Why are they calling it "blood libel"? - 16/01/2011 12:23:47 PM 1014 Views
Because if the facts were as they represent them those words would be applicable. - 16/01/2011 12:49:22 PM 1182 Views
It's not entirely clear to me whether you're aware of this or not, but... - 16/01/2011 01:12:22 PM 1230 Views
That's why I said, "popularized". - 16/01/2011 01:46:52 PM 1196 Views
I think Alan Dershowitz dealt with this nonsense already - 16/01/2011 02:34:10 PM 1553 Views
Interesting. I didn't realize it was so wide-spread. - 16/01/2011 03:10:28 PM 1092 Views
She wasn't even the first to use the term that week either - 16/01/2011 10:10:35 PM 1119 Views
I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. - 16/01/2011 10:18:54 PM 1108 Views
Re: I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. - 16/01/2011 11:30:38 PM 1007 Views
Oh please don't you start to - 17/01/2011 02:34:43 PM 954 Views
I for one hadn't noticed it before. - 17/01/2011 10:25:57 PM 1145 Views
it was used here and nobody commented - 17/01/2011 10:37:07 PM 1026 Views
LOL, I totally forgot that got posted here - 17/01/2011 10:54:26 PM 1069 Views
It's funny you should say that... - 18/01/2011 10:32:59 PM 1112 Views
Re: It's funny you should say that... - 19/01/2011 03:29:52 PM 1096 Views
It was permissible to ignore until it became a rallying cry. - 20/01/2011 04:27:23 PM 1132 Views
A rallying cry is hardly illegal - 20/01/2011 05:32:45 PM 1187 Views
I never said it was. - 20/01/2011 06:59:39 PM 1280 Views
Oh, I noticed that one alright. - 18/01/2011 10:25:23 PM 954 Views
compared to the way similar terms are used? - 19/01/2011 06:58:02 PM 1100 Views
I meant I hadn't seen it used in different contexts before. - 19/01/2011 07:35:00 PM 1074 Views
Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. - 16/01/2011 10:24:09 PM 1155 Views
Re: Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. - 16/01/2011 11:09:21 PM 1201 Views
Again, Giffords specifically made the connection between Palins imagery and an attack on her. - 17/01/2011 12:53:08 AM 1346 Views
That means precisely nothing - 17/01/2011 03:59:07 PM 1047 Views
It means everything. - 18/01/2011 08:34:55 PM 1288 Views
I'm trying to understand your logic - 19/01/2011 12:50:28 AM 893 Views
There are two points: - 19/01/2011 02:47:48 AM 1108 Views
Re: It means everything. - 19/01/2011 05:55:02 PM 931 Views
That's simply illogical. - 20/01/2011 01:08:51 AM 1316 Views
the old step one steal underwear step three profit argument - 19/01/2011 06:01:14 PM 1183 Views
that is some twisted and bizarre logic - 17/01/2011 02:38:41 PM 1132 Views
So I am a little confused on something... - 16/01/2011 02:38:59 PM 1180 Views
Palin putting Giffords district in the crosshairs and Giffords implying at the time she feared this - 16/01/2011 11:21:36 PM 1315 Views
If I understand what you are saying correctly... - 17/01/2011 07:07:56 AM 1044 Views
I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. - 17/01/2011 08:33:47 AM 1071 Views
Re: I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. - 17/01/2011 04:24:01 PM 1133 Views
The Secret Service does guard Congressmen, just not all of them automatically. - 18/01/2011 09:13:39 PM 942 Views
No, they don't - 18/01/2011 10:19:34 PM 1141 Views
Really? Cannoli says differently, and I believe he's right on that one. - 18/01/2011 10:50:51 PM 1243 Views
You seem to be reading what you want to from what I said - 19/01/2011 01:27:32 PM 1075 Views
I read what you said & understood it as you restate here, hence I referenced local police (twice) - 20/01/2011 02:15:17 AM 1133 Views
The problem here is your ignoring normal policing powers to concoct an absurdity - 20/01/2011 04:20:25 PM 1211 Views
More absurd than the notion such incitement warrants no notice? - 20/01/2011 05:42:47 PM 1191 Views
really because people post that kind of crap daily and nothing happens - 20/01/2011 05:57:52 PM 1018 Views
Your shifting your original premise, *again* - 20/01/2011 08:24:18 PM 1037 Views
No, you're simply missing the point of it. - 20/01/2011 11:09:57 PM 1056 Views
There is no point - 21/01/2011 12:22:30 AM 1089 Views
If I had no point I wouldn't bother, but fair enough. - 21/01/2011 01:20:32 AM 1340 Views
Uh...Last I checked conservatives didn't list the Communist Manifesto as a favourite book. - 16/01/2011 03:05:07 PM 1356 Views
You're awesome at missing points, aren't you? - 16/01/2011 07:26:30 PM 1101 Views
where is the accountability for those committing slander? - 17/01/2011 02:52:40 PM 1020 Views
Libs hate Mein Kampf and We the Living; conservatives hate the Communist Manifesto: He's neither. - 16/01/2011 10:06:02 PM 1038 Views
conseartives hate Mein Kampf and liberals stil read the Communist Manifesto - 17/01/2011 02:57:22 PM 1030 Views
That first line is says it all. - 18/01/2011 09:34:06 PM 1117 Views
Nazis had more in common with communist then capitalist - 19/01/2011 04:10:09 PM 1223 Views
The founder of fascism called it "the merger of corporate and national power". - 20/01/2011 02:51:09 AM 1109 Views
and that is supposed to mean something? - 20/01/2011 06:06:18 PM 1115 Views
YOU are cherry picking. - 20/01/2011 07:50:21 PM 1056 Views
It is to be expected that this site would be libtard central... - 16/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 1336 Views
See my reply to Dragonsoul above. - 16/01/2011 07:30:40 PM 1160 Views
Yeah, your first was better - 16/01/2011 09:48:58 PM 982 Views
Palin didn't really have anything to do with this, but it makes sense she's blamed. - 16/01/2011 10:19:51 PM 1059 Views
Pretty much. - 16/01/2011 11:44:35 PM 1117 Views
Did they ever catch the person(s) that vandalized Gifford's office? *NM* - 17/01/2011 03:30:36 AM 514 Views
politcal offices are vandalized on a regular basis *NM* - 17/01/2011 02:41:29 PM 483 Views
She only asked if they caught the guy, she didn't accuse anyone, Sarah. - 18/01/2011 11:27:18 PM 1013 Views
OK Olberman when did I imply otherwise? *NM* - 19/01/2011 02:48:41 PM 524 Views
"Political offices are vandalized on a regular basis". - 20/01/2011 03:16:39 AM 1202 Views
Took you this long, huh? - 17/01/2011 01:53:31 PM 949 Views
I am sick of the desperate attempts of liberals to find a way to use a tragedy - 17/01/2011 02:31:18 PM 981 Views
I'm just curious. - 17/01/2011 03:23:47 PM 941 Views
Re: I'm just curious. - 17/01/2011 03:28:04 PM 1100 Views
I always said I'd do that after Bush was re-elected. - 18/01/2011 11:52:45 PM 971 Views
like I said a matter of faith - 17/01/2011 04:27:51 PM 959 Views
I find it interesting... - 17/01/2011 05:31:54 PM 1110 Views
I mention her looks solely because... - 20/01/2011 02:30:42 PM 993 Views
If slander, not mine, Giffords' (at least you don't err like Palin and say, "libel" ). - 18/01/2011 11:14:23 PM 1167 Views
mark you calendar today is the day Joel offically went around the bend into insanity - 19/01/2011 05:28:06 PM 1000 Views
A mirror will show me who's to blame? On whom have I put a crosshairs? - 20/01/2011 03:23:43 AM 1040 Views
so it is all a matter of faith for you - 20/01/2011 05:48:44 AM 969 Views
No, it's fairly straight forward logic. - 20/01/2011 03:25:56 PM 1080 Views
sorry Joel but you haven't - 20/01/2011 03:29:49 PM 876 Views
It's there; in this thread alone people from both sides of the aisle have acknowledged that. - 20/01/2011 05:51:21 PM 975 Views
only in your does the connection exisit - 20/01/2011 06:39:35 PM 1019 Views
No. - 20/01/2011 07:35:09 PM 1094 Views
dude wake up - 20/01/2011 08:54:33 PM 1223 Views
So in your opinion... - 17/01/2011 05:27:58 PM 967 Views
How 'bout simply color coding them? - 18/01/2011 11:21:03 PM 1015 Views
Why not just blame Giffords? - 17/01/2011 06:07:14 PM 1318 Views
Indeed, why not; Sarah Palin does. - 18/01/2011 06:58:01 PM 1139 Views
The irony of this thread is not lost on me. - 19/01/2011 04:09:01 PM 1145 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 19/01/2011 04:51:40 PM 566 Views
Bizarre thread for that Soapbox - 19/01/2011 05:17:58 PM 888 Views
You missed the point, obviously. - 19/01/2011 06:04:23 PM 999 Views
so you are saying it is the same old RAFO - 19/01/2011 06:47:24 PM 1074 Views
The thread has admittedly degenerated - 19/01/2011 07:02:12 PM 915 Views
Check your NB. Noted you a response. *NM* - 19/01/2011 07:04:58 PM 546 Views
That I knew it would go this way is why I avoided looking closely for so long. - 19/01/2011 11:20:44 PM 1155 Views
Hey, now. I have to step in. - 20/01/2011 04:44:49 PM 1184 Views
I'm just saying a significant link can be demonstrated. - 20/01/2011 07:07:27 PM 1225 Views
Re: OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. - 22/01/2011 05:49:44 PM 1171 Views

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