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Voting on civil rights constitutes tyranny of the majority, not legitimate democracy. Dreaded Anomaly Send a noteboard - 25/06/2011 09:37:28 PM
Personally I'd rather states put it to a direct vote on the ballot, keeps it clean from any legislative antics and makes it harder for the legislature to repeal it or pass it themselves if it fails since the electorate makes their will known, but so long as it's not the courts doing it and so long as it left churches and such the freedom not perform the ceremonies I've got no issue with it.


And if you're not convinced by the philosophical aspects, you should be by the successful fear- and misinformation-based campaigns run against gay marriage nationwide wherever it's been up for popular vote.
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New York Senate approves same-sex marriage Dominic - 25/06/2011 03:47:43 AM 1377 Views
Good. *NM* Camilla - 25/06/2011 07:40:52 AM 454 Views
Re: Federalism is so fucking slow. *NM* Gaps - 25/06/2011 02:47:11 PM 285 Views
I'm actually not opposed to this. Dragonsoul - 25/06/2011 03:48:32 PM 678 Views
Makes sense to me. Joel - 25/06/2011 04:00:07 PM 907 Views
I'm not sure why there was even any need for such explicit protection. Legolas - 25/06/2011 04:04:47 PM 673 Views
There are two reasons, depending on ones position on the issue. Joel - 25/06/2011 06:04:27 PM 722 Views
Meh, you never know. Dragonsoul - 26/06/2011 12:58:37 AM 819 Views
so in your only Catholics are really married? random thoughts - 26/06/2011 12:04:07 AM 682 Views
Church Doctrine. Dragonsoul - 26/06/2011 12:57:39 AM 807 Views
That is simply not true Roland00 - 26/06/2011 08:20:59 AM 750 Views
Yes it is. Dragonsoul - 26/06/2011 05:14:29 PM 748 Views
That's patently wrong in that Orthodox weddings are explicitly recognized by the Church. Tom - 26/06/2011 02:42:00 PM 698 Views
Yeah okay... Dragonsoul - 26/06/2011 05:16:05 PM 736 Views
They are outside of the authority of Rome, and have, on occasion, excommunicated Popes. Dannymac - 27/06/2011 05:03:31 PM 706 Views
Are you sure about this? Camilla - 30/06/2011 04:47:57 PM 603 Views
Dragonsoul is wrong Roland00 - 01/07/2011 09:21:43 AM 754 Views
Glad to hear it. *NM* Legolas - 25/06/2011 04:05:15 PM 270 Views
Seems fine to me Isaac - 25/06/2011 05:44:30 PM 674 Views
Voting on civil rights constitutes tyranny of the majority, not legitimate democracy. Dreaded Anomaly - 25/06/2011 09:37:28 PM 802 Views
Direct democracy is the only true democracy. *NM* Dragonsoul - 26/06/2011 01:01:26 AM 289 Views
Sometimes it is grand not being a True Scottsman *NM* Roland00 - 26/06/2011 08:21:49 AM 279 Views
Re: Voting on civil rights constitutes tyranny of the majority, not legitimate democracy. Isaac - 26/06/2011 03:11:06 AM 747 Views
Good luck telling that to the deeply religious right. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/06/2011 03:20:04 AM 663 Views
I am a deeply religious member of the right, and I tell them that all the time *NM* Isaac - 26/06/2011 03:30:14 AM 291 Views
Then you're a rare person. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 26/06/2011 03:36:11 AM 293 Views
After a number of years of gay marriage Helene - 26/06/2011 06:57:07 AM 641 Views
That's more or less true of virtually everything, not a great example Isaac - 26/06/2011 07:09:03 AM 674 Views
People shouldn't turn their own religion and/or opinion into law Helene - 28/06/2011 07:33:48 PM 654 Views
I don't recall mentioning religion beyond confirming that I was religious Isaac - 28/06/2011 08:22:51 PM 713 Views
I admit I wasn't replying to you directly Helene - 29/06/2011 07:20:10 AM 668 Views
I think you should give this subject a bit more thought Isaac - 29/06/2011 02:16:04 PM 712 Views
I'll address the bulk of this later Helene - 29/06/2011 07:58:48 PM 593 Views
Believing things without strong supporting evidence is not rational. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/06/2011 12:11:33 AM 787 Views
Requiring different degrees of proof for things isn't particularly rational Isaac - 30/06/2011 01:14:44 PM 861 Views
I require the same standard of evidence to be confident in anything. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/06/2011 07:43:51 PM 1255 Views
Re: I require the same standard of evidence to be confident in anything. Isaac - 30/06/2011 08:59:00 PM 860 Views
Re: I require the same standard of evidence to be confident in anything. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/06/2011 09:47:30 PM 1126 Views
We're gonna have to pick this up another time Isaac - 01/07/2011 04:37:25 AM 685 Views
No, I used the word irrational to mean that it's not rational. Helene - 30/06/2011 09:12:19 PM 702 Views
Fair Enough Isaac - 01/07/2011 04:32:44 AM 738 Views
Btw, in case you were wondering, I do like you Helene - 01/07/2011 02:17:42 PM 744 Views
Re: Voting on civil rights constitutes tyranny of the majority, not legitimate democracy. Dreaded Anomaly - 26/06/2011 10:38:56 PM 848 Views
I think you should give your fellow citizens a bit more trust and respect Isaac - 27/06/2011 05:41:52 PM 645 Views
I'm all for occasionally forcing stuff down people's throats... LadyLorraine - 28/06/2011 11:44:12 AM 639 Views
My expectations are guided by psychology and history. Dreaded Anomaly - 28/06/2011 07:08:06 PM 760 Views
That's good to know, most of us do that, though we usually just call it common sense and experience Isaac - 28/06/2011 08:55:23 PM 785 Views
No, most people don't do that. Reasoning from cognitive biases and anecdotes is much more common. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/06/2011 12:18:40 AM 692 Views
Perhaps, you seem to be claiming not do that yourself though Isaac - 30/06/2011 01:40:57 PM 789 Views
Empire State Building was lit up in rainbow colors, looked cool *NM* beetnemesis - 25/06/2011 08:21:03 PM 310 Views
Good. *NM* ironclad - 25/06/2011 11:41:30 PM 275 Views
I approved that years ago. They are way behind. Granted, I have no authority over anyone... TaskmasterJack - 26/06/2011 12:22:33 AM 567 Views
So, fifth time is a charm? everynametaken - 26/06/2011 06:38:26 AM 786 Views
The real issue is going to be when the Supreme Court rules on the full faith and credit clause. Tom - 26/06/2011 02:43:23 PM 677 Views
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