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My expectations are guided by psychology and history. Dreaded Anomaly Send a noteboard - 28/06/2011 07:08:06 PM
I don't mind discussing the various pros and cons of democracy in its various incarnations but I generally draw the line at any incarnation where you can force things down the throat of the majority while claiming they don't know better because they're too stupid to see through what you consider propaganda.


The rights of minorities should not be up to the majority, period. Democracy is government of/by/for the people, not just the majority. "Majority rule with minority rights" is the correct first order description of that principle, not just "majority rule."

Also, describing legalizing gay marriage as "forcing it down the throat of the majority" is a bit much. No one is being forced to get a gay marriage, and people can still consider it morally wrong if they desire, just like adultery and other actions which are nevertheless legal. The point is that allowing gay marriage helps a minority and doesn't actually harm the majority, so there is no good reason not to allow it.
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New York Senate approves same-sex marriage Dominic - 25/06/2011 03:47:43 AM 1234 Views
Good. *NM* Camilla - 25/06/2011 07:40:52 AM 408 Views
Re: Federalism is so fucking slow. *NM* Gaps - 25/06/2011 02:47:11 PM 246 Views
I'm actually not opposed to this. Dragonsoul - 25/06/2011 03:48:32 PM 597 Views
Makes sense to me. Joel - 25/06/2011 04:00:07 PM 786 Views
I'm not sure why there was even any need for such explicit protection. Legolas - 25/06/2011 04:04:47 PM 589 Views
There are two reasons, depending on ones position on the issue. Joel - 25/06/2011 06:04:27 PM 641 Views
Meh, you never know. Dragonsoul - 26/06/2011 12:58:37 AM 735 Views
so in your only Catholics are really married? random thoughts - 26/06/2011 12:04:07 AM 596 Views
Church Doctrine. Dragonsoul - 26/06/2011 12:57:39 AM 717 Views
That is simply not true Roland00 - 26/06/2011 08:20:59 AM 654 Views
Yes it is. Dragonsoul - 26/06/2011 05:14:29 PM 669 Views
That's patently wrong in that Orthodox weddings are explicitly recognized by the Church. Tom - 26/06/2011 02:42:00 PM 613 Views
Yeah okay... Dragonsoul - 26/06/2011 05:16:05 PM 654 Views
They are outside of the authority of Rome, and have, on occasion, excommunicated Popes. Dannymac - 27/06/2011 05:03:31 PM 627 Views
Are you sure about this? Camilla - 30/06/2011 04:47:57 PM 514 Views
Dragonsoul is wrong Roland00 - 01/07/2011 09:21:43 AM 665 Views
Glad to hear it. *NM* Legolas - 25/06/2011 04:05:15 PM 230 Views
Seems fine to me Isaac - 25/06/2011 05:44:30 PM 586 Views
Voting on civil rights constitutes tyranny of the majority, not legitimate democracy. Dreaded Anomaly - 25/06/2011 09:37:28 PM 720 Views
Direct democracy is the only true democracy. *NM* Dragonsoul - 26/06/2011 01:01:26 AM 250 Views
Sometimes it is grand not being a True Scottsman *NM* Roland00 - 26/06/2011 08:21:49 AM 240 Views
Re: Voting on civil rights constitutes tyranny of the majority, not legitimate democracy. Isaac - 26/06/2011 03:11:06 AM 666 Views
Good luck telling that to the deeply religious right. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/06/2011 03:20:04 AM 582 Views
I am a deeply religious member of the right, and I tell them that all the time *NM* Isaac - 26/06/2011 03:30:14 AM 251 Views
Then you're a rare person. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 26/06/2011 03:36:11 AM 252 Views
After a number of years of gay marriage Helene - 26/06/2011 06:57:07 AM 565 Views
That's more or less true of virtually everything, not a great example Isaac - 26/06/2011 07:09:03 AM 587 Views
People shouldn't turn their own religion and/or opinion into law Helene - 28/06/2011 07:33:48 PM 580 Views
I don't recall mentioning religion beyond confirming that I was religious Isaac - 28/06/2011 08:22:51 PM 624 Views
I admit I wasn't replying to you directly Helene - 29/06/2011 07:20:10 AM 581 Views
I think you should give this subject a bit more thought Isaac - 29/06/2011 02:16:04 PM 626 Views
I'll address the bulk of this later Helene - 29/06/2011 07:58:48 PM 505 Views
Believing things without strong supporting evidence is not rational. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/06/2011 12:11:33 AM 685 Views
Requiring different degrees of proof for things isn't particularly rational Isaac - 30/06/2011 01:14:44 PM 751 Views
I require the same standard of evidence to be confident in anything. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/06/2011 07:43:51 PM 1149 Views
Re: I require the same standard of evidence to be confident in anything. Isaac - 30/06/2011 08:59:00 PM 763 Views
Re: I require the same standard of evidence to be confident in anything. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/06/2011 09:47:30 PM 1031 Views
We're gonna have to pick this up another time Isaac - 01/07/2011 04:37:25 AM 601 Views
No, I used the word irrational to mean that it's not rational. Helene - 30/06/2011 09:12:19 PM 612 Views
Fair Enough Isaac - 01/07/2011 04:32:44 AM 657 Views
Btw, in case you were wondering, I do like you Helene - 01/07/2011 02:17:42 PM 665 Views
Re: Voting on civil rights constitutes tyranny of the majority, not legitimate democracy. Dreaded Anomaly - 26/06/2011 10:38:56 PM 762 Views
I think you should give your fellow citizens a bit more trust and respect Isaac - 27/06/2011 05:41:52 PM 557 Views
I'm all for occasionally forcing stuff down people's throats... LadyLorraine - 28/06/2011 11:44:12 AM 552 Views
My expectations are guided by psychology and history. Dreaded Anomaly - 28/06/2011 07:08:06 PM 665 Views
That's good to know, most of us do that, though we usually just call it common sense and experience Isaac - 28/06/2011 08:55:23 PM 694 Views
No, most people don't do that. Reasoning from cognitive biases and anecdotes is much more common. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/06/2011 12:18:40 AM 604 Views
Perhaps, you seem to be claiming not do that yourself though Isaac - 30/06/2011 01:40:57 PM 704 Views
Empire State Building was lit up in rainbow colors, looked cool *NM* beetnemesis - 25/06/2011 08:21:03 PM 259 Views
Good. *NM* ironclad - 25/06/2011 11:41:30 PM 236 Views
I approved that years ago. They are way behind. Granted, I have no authority over anyone... TaskmasterJack - 26/06/2011 12:22:33 AM 486 Views
So, fifth time is a charm? everynametaken - 26/06/2011 06:38:26 AM 700 Views
The real issue is going to be when the Supreme Court rules on the full faith and credit clause. Tom - 26/06/2011 02:43:23 PM 594 Views
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