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In part it's a matter of principle, but if we really want to analyze it there's some deeper validity Joel Send a noteboard - 06/07/2011 02:13:05 AM
He understood the safety issue. He would not wear a seatbelt or a helmet, just to protest nanny state laws. I basically told him to grow up. He desrved every ticket he got. There shouldn't be a law for adults but there is. All these arguments for rights in those two cases have a little bit of merit but seem very whiney and childish. This incident just proved the point even more so.

Like the old debate over whether it's better to be thrown clear of an accident or strapped in by a seat belt so you aren't injured by the collision itself. IN GENERAL, the odds favor the latter, but I don't think it's right for one group, even if it happens to be a minority, to make that decision for others. If I or a loved one happened to be one of those people trapped in a burning car when a seatbelt clasp was crushed or crushed under a vehicle when the impact would have thrown me into a nearby meadow you'll never convince me that my dad or kids life was worth the STATISTICAL benefit to society at large. Decisions like that are judgement calls, and since most of the immediate consequences, and nearly all the most severe ones, will be born by the individual directly involved, I think it should be their call.

You can't tell me that a biker with his eyes behind a visor and his ears tucked in a helmet has as much road awareness as a bareheaded one, and the smaller and quicker the vehicle the easier it becomes to avoid accidents than survive them. When a biker wrecks, unless he's going pretty slow his ability to surf is often more important than the thickest jacket or helmet in the world. Stuff like that is why you'll never catch me on a bike; riding with a helmet is like smoking with a filter--except one of them is still legal (for now... ). If a biker prefers the added protection of a helmet, more power to him/her, with my blessing--but if, as a lot of them do, he finds my logic more compelling that should also be fine. There are risks either way, just different ones; the only thing they have in common is that the greatest ones are born by the biker, so that's who should decide which ones are more acceptable.
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You can't make this stuff up: Helmet law protester dies in crash - 05/07/2011 08:47:14 PM 1001 Views
Kinda undermines his protest *NM* - 05/07/2011 09:01:50 PM 298 Views
Just a tad bit *NM* - 05/07/2011 09:06:24 PM 281 Views
How so? He wasn't demanding the right to survive crashes when only a helmet makes that possible. - 05/07/2011 11:06:44 PM 658 Views
New York feels that people should have to wear helmets for their own safety - 05/07/2011 11:20:36 PM 623 Views
He felt his own safety was his own concern. - 06/07/2011 12:07:05 AM 552 Views
Who do you think would have ended up paying for his care for the rest of his life if the accident - 06/07/2011 01:08:49 AM 712 Views
The same people who pay for everyone else whose actions render them vegetables. - 06/07/2011 01:50:20 AM 830 Views
Maybe a more effective argument you could use against me would be pointing out - 06/07/2011 02:33:21 AM 621 Views
Yeah, that is a better example. - 06/07/2011 03:03:01 AM 592 Views
Oops, ignore! *NM* - 06/07/2011 11:44:10 PM 361 Views
Now, who said irony wasn't funny? *NM* - 05/07/2011 09:22:58 PM 418 Views
what a fricking idiot - 05/07/2011 10:02:17 PM 790 Views
That's your opinion to which you're entitled. - 05/07/2011 11:19:36 PM 1048 Views
Anarchy, baby! *NM* - 06/07/2011 12:58:23 AM 516 Views
I understand the pov, I had a BF who felt that same way. It's still much like childish defiance. - 06/07/2011 01:26:15 AM 948 Views
In part it's a matter of principle, but if we really want to analyze it there's some deeper validity - 06/07/2011 02:13:05 AM 726 Views
It's not "much like" childish defiance. It IS. *NM* - 06/07/2011 11:45:05 PM 468 Views
Uh Joel... - 06/07/2011 03:38:24 AM 659 Views
Sorry, but that doesn't make sense - 06/07/2011 07:02:33 PM 854 Views
Yes it does - 06/07/2011 07:32:54 PM 606 Views
how many people are really seriously injured that way? - 06/07/2011 07:15:16 PM 825 Views
Did you actually read my post? - 06/07/2011 07:36:13 PM 734 Views
my ex had 3 cracked ribs from an accident like that - 07/07/2011 02:46:07 AM 762 Views
Re: That's your opinion to which you're entitled. - 06/07/2011 05:18:12 PM 814 Views
Re: That's your opinion to which you're entitled. - 06/07/2011 06:13:44 PM 886 Views
Hold the phone here... - 06/07/2011 07:49:10 PM 1026 Views
+1 *NM* - 06/07/2011 08:42:14 PM 360 Views
You agree with him that the abortion debate is about a mothers convenience versus the babys life? - 06/07/2011 10:48:52 PM 732 Views
im not bringing abortion into this, its a separate issue *NM* - 06/07/2011 10:56:17 PM 355 Views
It's really not. - 07/07/2011 12:20:10 AM 758 Views
i'm really not - 07/07/2011 03:34:23 PM 832 Views
What else could the debate be about? - 06/07/2011 10:58:51 PM 685 Views
"The babys life", not just "life". - 07/07/2011 12:18:02 AM 1013 Views
I think I could make that up. *NM* - 05/07/2011 11:41:00 PM 291 Views
Smartass *NM* - 06/07/2011 12:57:22 AM 305 Views
Helmets help save lives. 'Onest. - 07/07/2011 04:40:42 PM 757 Views

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