I could pick apart the entire post that you sent based upon plenty of things...and catch you in plenty of moral arguements where you are basically advocating for complete anarchy as long as its regulated to one's body. But I'm not going to do that.
Instead, I'll focus on one little phrase which you've said here (and a variation of what you've said before).
<snip> disgusting and immoral; that doesn't mean they should be illegal </snip>
This phrase was used in this case in regards to prostitution and organ sales. In other contex, you've used something along these lines before....
I have a real difficult time not legislating things that are disgusting and immoral. Why? Because not having rules against it is tantamount to endorsement. No law against beastality, means society is cool with it. No law against murder, means society is cool with it.
Do you see where I'm going with this? We live in a society where freedom is the default setting. Without being expressly told not to do it, it is permissable. Much like when driving (in California at least)...I can do a U-turn at any intersection....unless it tells me that I can't. Society functions much the same way. I can do whatever I want...unless there's a rule against it.
Oh, and I know/realize/understand about the whole love cannot be coerced thing. But please try and keep a barrier between the aspects of loving God and loving our society. You cannot approach the two in the same way....as God is without sin. Society, as evidenced over and over, is rife with sin.
~Jeordam
Instead, I'll focus on one little phrase which you've said here (and a variation of what you've said before).
<snip> disgusting and immoral; that doesn't mean they should be illegal </snip>
This phrase was used in this case in regards to prostitution and organ sales. In other contex, you've used something along these lines before....
I have a real difficult time not legislating things that are disgusting and immoral. Why? Because not having rules against it is tantamount to endorsement. No law against beastality, means society is cool with it. No law against murder, means society is cool with it.
Do you see where I'm going with this? We live in a society where freedom is the default setting. Without being expressly told not to do it, it is permissable. Much like when driving (in California at least)...I can do a U-turn at any intersection....unless it tells me that I can't. Society functions much the same way. I can do whatever I want...unless there's a rule against it.
Oh, and I know/realize/understand about the whole love cannot be coerced thing. But please try and keep a barrier between the aspects of loving God and loving our society. You cannot approach the two in the same way....as God is without sin. Society, as evidenced over and over, is rife with sin.
~Jeordam
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You can't make this stuff up: Helmet law protester dies in crash
- 05/07/2011 08:47:14 PM
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Kinda undermines his protest
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- 05/07/2011 09:01:50 PM
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- 05/07/2011 09:01:50 PM
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How so? He wasn't demanding the right to survive crashes when only a helmet makes that possible.
- 05/07/2011 11:06:44 PM
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New York feels that people should have to wear helmets for their own safety
- 05/07/2011 11:20:36 PM
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He felt his own safety was his own concern.
- 06/07/2011 12:07:05 AM
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Who do you think would have ended up paying for his care for the rest of his life if the accident
- 06/07/2011 01:08:49 AM
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The same people who pay for everyone else whose actions render them vegetables.
- 06/07/2011 01:50:20 AM
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Maybe a more effective argument you could use against me would be pointing out
- 06/07/2011 02:33:21 AM
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what a fricking idiot
- 05/07/2011 10:02:17 PM
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That's your opinion to which you're entitled.
- 05/07/2011 11:19:36 PM
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Anarchy, baby! *NM*
- 06/07/2011 12:58:23 AM
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Sorry, as an advocate of civil rights (which especially includes minorities) I oppose anarchy.
- 06/07/2011 01:18:19 AM
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The public's nose is on the line here too.
- 06/07/2011 01:47:08 AM
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So my increased ease of hearing/seeing vehicles and other hazards isn't worth $1200.
- 06/07/2011 02:25:53 AM
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I understand the pov, I had a BF who felt that same way. It's still much like childish defiance.
- 06/07/2011 01:26:15 AM
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In part it's a matter of principle, but if we really want to analyze it there's some deeper validity
- 06/07/2011 02:13:05 AM
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you keep spreading falsehoods, stop it please
- 06/07/2011 02:49:01 AM
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Sounds like your real argument is with the other bikers; I'm just reiterating their arguments.
- 06/07/2011 03:38:39 AM
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Uh Joel...
- 06/07/2011 03:38:24 AM
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Agreed, having others in the car does make a difference.
- 06/07/2011 03:47:53 AM
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Hence why your "I wouldn't wear a seatbelt in the back seat" comment didn't make a lot of sense
- 06/07/2011 07:38:50 PM
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- 06/07/2011 07:38:50 PM
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Depends on whether the driver, rather than the law, is the one insisting.
- 06/07/2011 08:06:24 PM
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You'd place your own comfort over other people's safety?
- 06/07/2011 11:37:00 PM
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It's more a comfort issue than anything else; it's not solely one.
- 06/07/2011 11:56:28 PM
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Hold the phone here...
- 06/07/2011 07:49:10 PM
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+1 *NM*
- 06/07/2011 08:42:14 PM
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You agree with him that the abortion debate is about a mothers convenience versus the babys life?
- 06/07/2011 10:48:52 PM
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im not bringing abortion into this, its a separate issue *NM*
- 06/07/2011 10:56:17 PM
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It's really not.
- 07/07/2011 12:20:10 AM
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i'm really not
- 07/07/2011 03:34:23 PM
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Fine as far as it goes, but public/private only matters to the extent others are affected.
- 09/07/2011 11:15:33 AM
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Holding the phone here might be good, yes....
- 06/07/2011 10:33:46 PM
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- 06/07/2011 10:33:46 PM
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See...that's the difference between you and me
- 06/07/2011 10:56:53 PM
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Apparently so; "completely anarchy as long as its regulated to one's body" sounds nonsensical to me.
- 06/07/2011 11:44:50 PM
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I'm with Joel. I always buckle up/helmet up, but I think such laws are asinine
- 06/07/2011 02:30:04 AM
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why not just ban motorcycles all together, they are much more dangerous than cars
- 06/07/2011 05:39:51 PM
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Helmets help save lives. 'Onest.
- 07/07/2011 04:40:42 PM
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So do not smoking, eating right and regular exercise, but we haven't made them mandatory.
- 09/07/2011 11:04:58 AM
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