the American system of justice can often seem disproportionately harsh, particularly, for me, in its treatment of minorities, but it certainly seems as though this is a case where a European system skews far too much in the other direction. Twenty-one years for ~80 premeditated deaths? This is a situation in which I wish I didn't understand the statistical implications of division.
I don't doubt that he's insane, because his actions were pure madness. The length of time that it took to kill all those young people on that island is indicative of a lack of moral fiber. While I'm something of a bleeding heart, I wish there were a way to extradite him to the US to face capital punishment.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/07/25/the_super_lux_super_max?page=0,0
(I actually jumped into the post to say I hope any and all Norwegian Wotmaniacs were okay, but instead the above post came out.)
I don't doubt that he's insane, because his actions were pure madness. The length of time that it took to kill all those young people on that island is indicative of a lack of moral fiber. While I'm something of a bleeding heart, I wish there were a way to extradite him to the US to face capital punishment.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/07/25/the_super_lux_super_max?page=0,0
(I actually jumped into the post to say I hope any and all Norwegian Wotmaniacs were okay, but instead the above post came out.)
I cannot even copy his manner because the manner of his prose was the manner of his thinking and that was a dazzling succession of gaps; and you cannot ape a gap because you are bound to fill it in somehow or other -- and blot it out in the process. -- Nabokov
Large explosion in Oslo and nearby shootings
- 22/07/2011 03:52:56 PM
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A bit too convenient for an accident, I'd say.
- 22/07/2011 03:54:38 PM
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I agree
- 22/07/2011 03:59:16 PM
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Why do you care about making a claim? You're not a reporter.
- 22/07/2011 04:53:06 PM
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Not good - two reported dead so far
- 22/07/2011 04:23:03 PM
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I thought everyone loved Norway!
- 22/07/2011 04:26:25 PM
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'cept Whales
- 22/07/2011 04:31:01 PM
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Hey, I wouldn't put something like this past Green Peace.
- 22/07/2011 04:37:40 PM
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- 22/07/2011 04:37:40 PM
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I would. *NM*
- 22/07/2011 06:52:38 PM
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Your faith is greater than mine then.
- 22/07/2011 10:26:54 PM
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Pics of the site look eerily similar to the Murrah building after the OKC bombing.
- 22/07/2011 04:27:03 PM
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NRK says a press conference is imminent; we'll hopefully know more soon.
- 22/07/2011 04:48:07 PM
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There are allegedly also people firing at the youth camp of the Labour party at an island
- 22/07/2011 05:26:29 PM
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7 confirmed dead, 2 severly injured, several with minor injuries.
- 22/07/2011 06:45:32 PM
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Despite all these jihadi groups claiming responsibility the police seem to think they are.
- 22/07/2011 09:37:08 PM
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It sounds a lot like that, yeah; the parallels with OKC are rather striking.
- 22/07/2011 10:25:42 PM
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I know a lot of people are going to be dissapointed if its not a Muslim
- 22/07/2011 10:58:12 PM
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Re: I know a lot of people are going to be dissapointed if its not a Muslim
- 22/07/2011 11:03:56 PM
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Norwegian papers article, in English:
- 22/07/2011 10:51:32 PM
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so "Youth camp" doesnt mean little kids right?
- 22/07/2011 11:05:42 PM
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“It seems kind of unreal, especially in Norway. This is not something that could happen here.”
- 23/07/2011 10:23:48 AM
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Yeah, but it is quite shocking in such a normally placid country.
- 23/07/2011 04:04:04 PM
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Holy crap
- 23/07/2011 11:06:32 AM
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Sounds like an anarchist, i.e., left-wing nut..... *NM*
- 23/07/2011 03:10:55 PM
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Which explains why he was a member of the far RIGHT party until he became too extreme for even them.
- 23/07/2011 03:55:54 PM
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Eerm, yeah...What Joel said
- 23/07/2011 04:40:21 PM
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There's very few facts for anyone to be working with
- 23/07/2011 05:52:26 PM
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Just having switched off the latest news...
- 23/07/2011 06:21:09 PM
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The picture may change as more becomes known, but you only said what the police have publicly said.
- 23/07/2011 07:24:02 PM
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The official facts we have are clear enough to validate Jens' statement.
- 23/07/2011 07:21:46 PM
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Why can't we just call him a wing-nut and agree?
- 23/07/2011 07:27:33 PM
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why cant we call him a terrorist?
- 23/07/2011 08:01:33 PM
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I'm fine with that; the media here's certainly calling him a terrorist.
- 23/07/2011 09:59:15 PM
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i noticed the Norwegians are calling it a terror attack
- 24/07/2011 03:17:53 AM
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In the Netherlands they're calling him a Christian fundamentalist. *NM*
- 24/07/2011 07:13:48 AM
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By the way - too bad Norway doesn't have the death penalty.....very justified in this case. *NM*
- 23/07/2011 08:44:32 PM
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Actually, it's more like "too bad the maximum Norwegian prison sentence is 21 years".
- 23/07/2011 09:33:52 PM
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Re: Actually, it's more like "too bad the maximum Norwegian prison sentence is 21 years".
- 23/07/2011 09:43:12 PM
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Anything less than execution is wrong.....
- 23/07/2011 09:52:07 PM
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By the Grace of God, that's not your call to make.
- 23/07/2011 10:06:05 PM
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92 murders = execution
- 23/07/2011 10:09:33 PM
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I brought up God because you're not Him.
- 23/07/2011 10:12:43 PM
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God doesn't decide anything in society, people do.....
- 23/07/2011 10:15:43 PM
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Yes, a huge portion of the world is OK with summary execution, but nowhere you or I want to live.
- 23/07/2011 10:34:28 PM
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Nowhere? - the majority of US citizens support the death penalty *NM*
- 23/07/2011 10:57:25 PM
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Not in any form as cut and dried as you presented.
- 23/07/2011 11:27:52 PM
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Yeah, supporting the concept isn't the same as supporting the application.....
- 24/07/2011 02:25:33 AM
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Doubt can never be completely eliminated from any equation, hence the standard's "reasonable" doubt.
- 24/07/2011 03:35:02 AM
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Yes it can, the two cases I mentioned have no doubt regarding guilt..... *NM*
- 24/07/2011 04:42:13 AM
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Again, believe what you like, just don't impose it on anyone else.
- 24/07/2011 12:02:01 PM
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I don't think that the Norwegian criminal system is based on that ideal.
- 24/07/2011 03:03:42 PM
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If Norwegians are fine with their 21 year law why should it bother you?
- 24/07/2011 03:24:56 AM
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For some reason it's his business.
- 24/07/2011 03:51:36 AM
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Makes sense
- 25/07/2011 01:36:13 AM
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Sacrificing freedom to protect it has never been logical, and is perhaps the most "un-American" act
- 25/07/2011 03:53:22 AM
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Sacrificing freedom to protect has never been logical, and is perhaps the most "un-American" of acts
- 25/07/2011 05:36:21 AM
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Re: Sacrificing freedom to protect has never been logical, and is perhaps the most "un-American"
- 25/07/2011 01:25:13 PM
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You need a reason for one, but if you nominally satisfy that minimal requirement they're available.
- 25/07/2011 05:28:23 PM
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they don't seem to have a problem voicing an opinion about our death penalty *NM*
- 26/07/2011 02:12:33 PM
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Right wing terrorism always confused me.
- 24/07/2011 04:44:34 AM
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I don't understand how anyone can be a fascist. *NM*
- 24/07/2011 07:15:16 AM
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I don't understand how any Italian can not be. *NM*
- 24/07/2011 01:51:34 PM
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Cause fascism didn't do much good for Italy? *NM*
- 24/07/2011 05:06:34 PM
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Bahaha yeah except 20 years of peace, prosperity and effective government.
- 25/07/2011 12:06:35 AM
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It's important to distinguish between Roman and modern fascism.
- 25/07/2011 03:48:24 AM
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The problem with that is simple.
- 25/07/2011 02:15:38 PM
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I can't speak to Italian civil liberties under Mussolini, but the little I've heard contradicts you.
- 25/07/2011 04:27:54 PM
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Wikipedia, really?
- 25/07/2011 05:07:28 PM
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Merely for convenience; the things I linked (e.g. blackshirt murder campaigns) are common knowledge.
- 25/07/2011 07:00:22 PM
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Actually, I know quite a bit about fascism in Italy
- 25/07/2011 08:29:04 AM
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If you did...
- 25/07/2011 02:05:31 PM
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You're full of it... and apparently you don't know it. *NM*
- 25/07/2011 06:40:14 PM
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Again, use facts...
- 26/07/2011 03:24:02 AM
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My guess is they're viewed as "collaborators".
- 24/07/2011 12:05:00 PM
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/ignoring the ridiculous fascism stuff... on the subject of killing your own
- 25/07/2011 04:36:01 PM
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Regardless.
- 25/07/2011 05:17:36 PM
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That's tempting, saying he isn't a "real" or "true" nationalist.
- 25/07/2011 09:20:38 PM
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Well I just don't comptrehend how he could be a "true" or "real" nationalist...
- 26/07/2011 03:25:35 AM
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That's clearly not true
- 26/07/2011 10:35:05 AM
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I'm pretty sure it's against nationalism as anyone defines it.
- 26/07/2011 01:43:56 PM
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See?
- 26/07/2011 02:05:09 PM
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Right, but...
- 26/07/2011 10:47:29 PM
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Yes he is on the far right
- 26/07/2011 10:54:06 PM
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- 26/07/2011 10:54:06 PM
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I'm hardly a fanatic.
- 27/07/2011 12:23:09 AM
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You do come across that way here.
- 27/07/2011 11:05:26 AM
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Maybe to you, then again if you want to talk about how people come across on the internet...
- 27/07/2011 10:05:39 PM
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That makes sense
- 27/07/2011 11:27:29 PM
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How would a Nazi killing ONLY aryans be a Nazi?
- 28/07/2011 06:27:03 AM
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Remember how the Nazis killled socialists and other people who disagreed with them? That is how. *NM*
- 28/07/2011 07:40:24 AM
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and don't forget it was how the far left killed the people they did like as well
- 28/07/2011 11:47:26 AM
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Sorry but when was the USSR nationalistic?
- 28/07/2011 12:40:46 PM
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The rather famous Night of the Long Knives not ring a bell?
- 28/07/2011 10:34:47 AM
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Again, I said a Nazi who kills ONLY aryans.
- 28/07/2011 06:03:00 PM
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So you know for a fact that every Nazi who killed a fellow Aryan nazi that night also killed others?
- 28/07/2011 08:01:35 PM
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I have no idea why I want to jump into this but I would just point out two things
- 28/07/2011 12:46:56 AM
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Unfortunately Anders was a product of this delusional age
- 24/07/2011 07:15:28 PM
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I suppose that was intended to be as cryptic as it sounds? *NM*
- 24/07/2011 09:43:49 PM
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Cryptic's accurate enough but some other descriptions come to mind *NM*
- 25/07/2011 06:58:42 PM
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Cryptic's accurate enough but some other descriptions come to mind *NM*
- 25/07/2011 06:58:42 PM
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I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. In a dubious, halfhearted sort of way.
- 25/07/2011 09:21:55 PM
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Dear God, I hope they don't give him the platform to preach his crap
- 24/07/2011 10:07:37 PM
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it seems he has won, he has a fan on this website in fact, just look at the thread below yours
- 25/07/2011 05:33:39 AM
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Having read his manifesto and watched his youtube video...
- 25/07/2011 01:50:07 AM
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Oh, so killing people who are NOT HIS OWN would have been ok? *NM*
- 25/07/2011 10:38:50 AM
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Would have been understandable.
- 25/07/2011 02:03:31 PM
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Much as it pains me to say, most of his victims were almost certainly not Christian.
- 25/07/2011 07:04:21 PM
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I'm amazed that one person could cause this level of death.
- 25/07/2011 05:35:33 AM
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I too was surprised
- 25/07/2011 05:45:10 AM
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I'm told it takes most of an hour just to DRIVE from Oslo to Utøya.
- 25/07/2011 07:14:16 PM
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galveston wouldnt need police from houston, they have police on the island.
- 25/07/2011 09:22:40 PM
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If there were reports that someone was slaughter children?
- 25/07/2011 10:18:45 PM
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A local with a deer rifle vs. a man in combat armor with an automatic rifle and military training?
- 25/07/2011 10:36:54 PM
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yes local, who would have military training as well, could have taken him with a deer rifle
- 25/07/2011 11:17:08 PM
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Theoretically; bear in mind that Charles Whitman spent two full hours killing people in the UT tower
- 26/07/2011 12:54:51 AM
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More on response time; it could have been better, but was more like an hour than hour and a half.
- 26/07/2011 01:59:30 AM
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they still are working under the assumption that they had to use heavily armed special forces
- 26/07/2011 03:09:05 PM
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The level of planning is what made it possible, and what makes it so chilling.
- 25/07/2011 07:25:23 PM
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I really wish they would stop mentioning he was a fan of True Blood *NM*
- 25/07/2011 05:47:16 AM
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are political party sponsored youth camps common in Europe?
- 25/07/2011 07:13:00 PM
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It is the labour youth organisation's summer camp
- 25/07/2011 09:11:57 PM
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sorry but that just seems very odd to me
- 25/07/2011 10:08:07 PM
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I think most such organizations have a somewhat older membership - 16-25 or so.
- 25/07/2011 10:30:04 PM
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having children who are passed their teens I still considered teenagers kids
- 25/07/2011 10:57:50 PM
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- 25/07/2011 10:57:50 PM
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Re:I know that
- 27/07/2011 03:39:47 AM
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are we really so bored and entrenched that we are debating the motives of a mad man? *NM*
- 26/07/2011 02:13:38 PM
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