No, I accept the definition of the word, but reject cynical abuse of it.
Joel Send a noteboard - 21/09/2011 01:37:01 AM
Sorry buddy, you don't just get to make up definitions of terms to fit your mood. I'm using it correctly, so are the authors and signers of the pledge in question, and you are now making stuff up, by your definition something can only be a pledge if the action or lack there of is something you don't want to do, and I say again, any pledge stands or falls on its own merits.
1. a solemn promise or agreement to do or refrain from doing something: a pledge of aid; a pledge not to wage war.
2. something delivered as security for the payment of a debt or fulfillment of a promise, and subject to forfeiture on failure to pay or fulfill the promise.
3. the state of being given or held as security: to put a thing in pledge.
4. Law . a. the act of delivering goods, property, etc., to another for security.
b. the resulting legal relationship.
a. the act of delivering goods, property, etc., to another for security.
b. the resulting legal relationship.
5. something given or regarded as a security.
verb (used with object)
9. to bind by or as if by a pledge: to pledge hearers to secrecy.
10. to promise solemnly: to pledge one's support.
11. to give or deposit as a pledge; pawn.
12. to stake, as one's honor.
13. to secure by a pledge; give a pledge for.
1. a solemn promise or agreement to do or refrain from doing something: a pledge of aid; a pledge not to wage war.
2. something delivered as security for the payment of a debt or fulfillment of a promise, and subject to forfeiture on failure to pay or fulfill the promise.
3. the state of being given or held as security: to put a thing in pledge.
4. Law . a. the act of delivering goods, property, etc., to another for security.
b. the resulting legal relationship.
a. the act of delivering goods, property, etc., to another for security.
b. the resulting legal relationship.
5. something given or regarded as a security.
verb (used with object)
9. to bind by or as if by a pledge: to pledge hearers to secrecy.
10. to promise solemnly: to pledge one's support.
11. to give or deposit as a pledge; pawn.
12. to stake, as one's honor.
13. to secure by a pledge; give a pledge for.
I never disputed that their pledge IS a pledge; I've consistently referred to their pledge as just that (I did put it in quotes all of ONCE, but still called it a pledge.) What I dispute is that it's a meaningful or productive pledge rather than rhetorically marketing a narrow interest as the popular will. It's a bona fide, but worthless, pledge. A pledge not to kill puppies in the well of the Senate would be just as legitimate and "principled", but far less of a barrier to deficit elimination.
Frankly, it's hard to understand Obamas delay in bowing to objections that hiking taxes on people making $250,000/yr ignores the fact that's not "rich" in the Northeast, CA and similar places, or his belated embrace of a rhetorically easy to market literal "millionaire tax hike." Except, of course, as political theater: Now the poor and middle class will see the Man of the People heroically try to end plutocracy and corporate welfare sucking the nation dry, only to be tragically defeated by pawns of the greedy; then they'll rush to the 2012 polls and re-elect him with the Congressional votes to pass his visionary policies.

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Ok so increasing taxes on people making 1million+ is also NOT ok with Republicans
18/09/2011 04:43:29 PM
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You act surprised, this has been said since the beginning, openly and repeatedly
18/09/2011 05:48:57 PM
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is this pledge legally binding?
18/09/2011 06:52:44 PM
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Re: is this pledge legally binding?
18/09/2011 08:14:49 PM
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That's rather easy though, isn't it?
18/09/2011 09:02:49 PM
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Not really
18/09/2011 10:02:12 PM
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Many will find any pledge unreasonable.
19/09/2011 07:01:20 AM
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Too bad for them, any pledge stands or falls on its own merits just like in real life
19/09/2011 08:35:13 PM
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If elected I pledge not to post on the RPMB.
20/09/2011 01:54:00 PM
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That didn't really make sense
20/09/2011 07:26:40 PM
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Sure it does: Pledging to do what one wanted to do anyway is rhetoric, not principle.
20/09/2011 08:04:25 PM
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Now you're debating with the definition of the word
20/09/2011 08:22:53 PM
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No, I accept the definition of the word, but reject cynical abuse of it.
21/09/2011 01:37:01 AM
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Could have done with out the kegger imagery
But this just makes it your opinion
21/09/2011 02:10:47 AM
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There is a problem with compromise in this situation and lot of it the way it is being framed
19/09/2011 02:57:32 PM
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and if a republican becomes president, i'm sure all taxes will go up in 2013
20/09/2011 04:39:21 PM
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Well, I'm glad they've at least raised the income range they were discussing. *NM*
18/09/2011 06:10:57 PM
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This really doesn't address what Buffet was talking about, but that's not a surprise either.
18/09/2011 08:35:25 PM
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Simple change the law so capital gains are considered income, that will increase taxes on the rich *NM*
19/09/2011 01:21:41 AM
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They are already.
19/09/2011 02:42:08 AM
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Maybe I should be clearer
19/09/2011 02:59:34 AM
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I've long felt the capital gains rate has ruined public companies
19/09/2011 05:13:40 AM
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Actually, I think you AND Tom, as well as Isaac, are right.
19/09/2011 07:13:56 AM
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Class warfare doesn't work.....if it did, the R's would not have kicked butt in 2010
19/09/2011 03:21:17 PM
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"If there's a class war in this country, my class is winning."--Warren Buffet
20/09/2011 07:54:45 PM
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There should be a set tax percentage that every US citizen pays. *NM*
19/09/2011 01:25:13 PM
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+1 - a flat tax, with no or limited deductions is the way to go *NM*
19/09/2011 03:16:53 PM
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Agreed
19/09/2011 03:46:47 PM
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"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."
20/09/2011 02:48:19 PM
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I fully advocate massive cuts to both entitlement programs and military spending *NM*
20/09/2011 11:53:10 PM
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And every child should be adequately fed and recieve a good education *NM*
19/09/2011 10:40:58 PM
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Why not a fixed wage for all US workers; then the problem solves itself.
20/09/2011 01:56:35 PM
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That works if you get rid of regressive taxes like the sales tax.
21/09/2011 04:34:07 PM
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a lot of people don't seem to understand that sales tax is a regressive tax
21/09/2011 04:44:16 PM
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It doesn't have to be
21/09/2011 07:45:31 PM
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Your solution is to tax people's savings? Tax "money storage", so that would be banks, right?
21/09/2011 10:29:36 PM
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