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And this is a typically illogical argument. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 22/09/2011 11:11:48 PM
He was executed after exhausting more avenues than most get (because he happened to black. God forbid we execute a black criminal). If in all those appeals he was still executed, what does that say?

Currently 44% of all death row inmates are black, and 440 black inmates have been executed since 1976, approx. 35% of ALL executions in that time. Given that blacks make up roughly 12% of the population, I think it is clear that we, as a nation, have absolutely NO problem with executing a black man.

That does not answer either the facts nor the statement to which you are responding. He never said that a black man was less likely to be executed, but that they had more avenues open to challenge their convictions. For instance, the linked article cites the NAACP's support. How many white men get their aid? If there were an equivalent group geared to securing justice or assisting white people, their support would do more harm than good, because being officially pro-white is all but illegal in this country.

Your blather about the percentage of death row inmates & executions being black does not prove the prior poster's ignorance, only your possession of the facts. As those facts do not refute his arguments, you have no way of proving that he did not know them. And while you may not be ignorant on this single issue, you are certainly not making a logical or rational point. What proportion of murders are committed by blacks? What proportion of black murderers are executed and how does that compare to the proportion of white murderers executed? All you do is give injustices. For the proportion of blacks on death row to match the proportion of blacks in the population, all other circumstances would have to be equal before you assume racism. As a counter example, blacks consist of a great deal more than 12% of NFL & NBA players. Are those organizations racist against whites? People were calling the NFL teams racist at a time when of 32 teams, 6 (18.8% ) had black head coaches. That is half again greater than the total population percentage, so why were people complaining?

In fact, given you liberals' propensity for asserting absent any proof both that crime is caused by poverty, and that blacks lack equal economic opportunities in this country, the percentage of convicts who are black SHOULD be higher than the proportion in the population! If only 12% of death row inmates were black and only 12% of convicted offenders were black, your argument about poverty causing crime (and justification for affirmative action and any number of War on Poverty and Equal Opportunity programs and funding) goes right out the window.

There was no physical evidence. 7 of 9 eyewitness recanted. And yet no one stopped the proceedings. Yes, I think that DOES tell us something about our justice system. And its not a good thing to be told.
What do you think we used to convict murderers before we hand forensic laboratories? The jurors, when they had no media exposure or badgering from anti-death penalty groups or pro-black groups, and were presented only with the evidence allowable in court, found him guilty, despite rules that are stacked overwhelmingly in favor of the defendant. They were found guilty in court, and multiple courts found the proceedings to have been properly conducted and lawful, and the standards of guilt and so forth properly met. Any number of things can account for jurors and witnesses changing their testimony after the fact and their memories changing decades later. In a court of law, with the rules of procedure stacked in his favor, the defense failed to cast reasonable doubt on the prosecution's case. THAT is the important thing, not unsupported anecdotes and assertions by the defense lawyers.
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i'm proud to live in a country where you can be executed based on circumstantial evidence... - 22/09/2011 04:06:07 PM 1334 Views
Yeah it's pretty damn disgusting and frustrating... - 22/09/2011 04:08:05 PM 647 Views
Well - 22/09/2011 06:57:37 PM 687 Views
And yet the Supreme Court didn't stop it. You're a lawyer right? - 22/09/2011 04:19:05 PM 709 Views
Well, that right there was an ignorant thing to say. - 22/09/2011 04:32:49 PM 765 Views
But they get all the media attention - 22/09/2011 04:45:03 PM 658 Views
Er. - 22/09/2011 05:09:44 PM 660 Views
What about the t-shirts? *NM* - 22/09/2011 05:47:49 PM 269 Views
Heh... you should perhaps Google 'The West Memphis 3' - 22/09/2011 05:29:06 PM 732 Views
And this is a typically illogical argument. - 22/09/2011 11:11:48 PM 698 Views
You're kidding, right? - 23/09/2011 02:55:44 PM 643 Views
Re: You're kidding, right? - 23/09/2011 07:36:38 PM 662 Views
Juror bias. *NM* - 23/09/2011 08:35:10 PM 259 Views
the jury was majority black *NM* - 23/09/2011 09:03:48 PM 272 Views
In this instance, yes. *NM* - 23/09/2011 09:30:10 PM 229 Views
Your evidence for that? *NM* - 23/09/2011 11:33:58 PM 264 Views
Twenty-one years of life in the American South. - 24/09/2011 12:40:10 AM 618 Views
Of course I'm interested - 24/09/2011 04:03:51 AM 550 Views
From me being too involved with the subject material. I apologize. - 24/09/2011 11:16:06 AM 531 Views
No worries - 24/09/2011 07:10:40 PM 512 Views
While I largely agree with your argument, I agree more with Cannoli on the NAACP. - 23/09/2011 07:46:06 PM 596 Views
Wow - 23/09/2011 07:50:06 PM 510 Views
It happens. - 25/09/2011 03:09:00 PM 552 Views
yes the "you born white what more do you want" argument *NM* - 23/09/2011 09:03:04 PM 258 Views
From what I've read it is pretty disturbing - 22/09/2011 04:27:44 PM 737 Views
Huh. - 22/09/2011 04:47:20 PM 722 Views
That jumped out at me too. - 22/09/2011 04:50:52 PM 646 Views
What really confuses me - 22/09/2011 04:58:32 PM 611 Views
Well... - 22/09/2011 05:18:54 PM 756 Views
So if I understand you correctly... - 22/09/2011 05:23:00 PM 695 Views
almost - 22/09/2011 08:25:06 PM 583 Views
Re: Well... - 22/09/2011 05:29:03 PM 659 Views
I know one reason is that - 22/09/2011 08:27:41 PM 651 Views
it is only confusing because the evidence isn't really that shaky - 22/09/2011 08:54:21 PM 621 Views
you are innocent until proven guilty - 22/09/2011 05:34:57 PM 665 Views
You must change your perspective..... - 22/09/2011 07:33:20 PM 650 Views
Well said *NM* - 22/09/2011 08:49:56 PM 287 Views
If I understand the Supreme Court correctly, the reason they denied the stay of execution was - 22/09/2011 08:25:14 PM 674 Views
On its face, that is a good reason. - 22/09/2011 10:07:44 PM 704 Views
I completely support the Death Penalty without question..... - 22/09/2011 08:27:54 PM 579 Views
Unreasonable doubt is impossible to eliminate. - 22/09/2011 09:54:43 PM 655 Views
Doubt can be eliminated.....any question about Dalmer? - 23/09/2011 01:00:52 PM 625 Views
Maybe he was framed by an enemy, government conspiracy or aliens. - 23/09/2011 01:54:21 PM 602 Views
Jigga what? *NM* - 23/09/2011 03:36:07 PM 291 Views
Circumstantial evidence is not, I believe, a bar to conviction. - 22/09/2011 09:43:56 PM 550 Views
Regarding the salvation thing, that is an argument FOR the death penalty, in my mind. - 22/09/2011 11:37:16 PM 624 Views
That motive is seflish and thus fatal. - 23/09/2011 01:17:00 AM 562 Views
Bullshit - 25/09/2011 03:53:05 AM 791 Views
Thank God you're not an evangelist. - 23/09/2011 02:59:06 PM 583 Views
And I pity the souls you have ministered to. They're in for a rude shock at their judgement - 25/09/2011 04:01:05 AM 614 Views
lol roman catholicism *NM* - 25/09/2011 04:39:55 AM 240 Views
You really don't understand irony, do you? Particularly as it applies to your post about this case. - 22/09/2011 11:26:49 PM 671 Views
. - 23/09/2011 08:21:38 AM 618 Views
I kind of agree. - 24/09/2011 12:05:27 AM 628 Views

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