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Re: let me ask you this about Cain Isaac Send a noteboard - 20/10/2011 07:05:43 AM
Doesn't it bother you that his response to the fact that independent analysis of his 999 plan shows most that most Americans would see a tax increase is that you shouldn't trust those independent analysis but go to his web page and look at his analysis? Couple that with the fact that he won't tell you who did his analysis and I am concerned. His foreign policy credentials worry me as well. He has tried to walk it back but he did say he would trade the prisoners in Gitmo for a US soldier but he should have known better than to say it in the first place. I don't know if we can run a guy that gaff prone against the media darling.

I think it will be Romney though. Perry just sucks to much at debate and the rest have no money and no infrastructure to take on Romney. Odd that with the rise of the Tea Party we will get the most liberal republican nominee in decades.


Not really, I don't believe anyone has actually done an "Independent Analysis" of the plan yet, TPC says it has and the media likes to claim that TPC is non-partisan, which is utter bull... and they are the same group that has previously given glowing reviews to Obama's 'tax cuts and potential growth that would result from them back in 2008. That doesn't mean Cain's analysis is unbiased obviously, but I'm waiting to see it scored by some actual conservative or libertarian think tanks who have done it in depth, and last I checked all were still doing introductory analysis after having only brushed it lightly prior to about a week ago when his numbers surged... and I think people are currently trying to decide if certain aspects of it might be considered VAT tax. I withhold all judgment until various sources I trust have had a chance to really dig into it... I don't actually care who did his analysis either, since Cain is a mathematician himself I expect him to have verified the math and will hold him to account if the math is bad, but I won't really buy into an "Analysis" people offer prior to around Mid-November, because this sort of plan has heavy feedback effects and I expect to hear people arguing about it before I'll care what they say.

As for foreign policy, well, he has no foreign policy creds, but almost nobody does and I don't think the public cares right now, not that they care most times anyway, 100% economy. I worry about gaffes, media being what it is, but the Gitmo rollback didn't bug me too much and I'm contrasting him with Romney and Gingrich and Perry, where gaffes are the lesser of evils where shortcomings are concerned. I'm not on the Cain Bandwagon yet, and probably won't be, but he's someone that for the moment I'm okay with and might even become an exciting candidate.
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So I am curious. What do our site conservatives think of Cain? - 18/10/2011 09:35:47 AM 1052 Views
You'd probably be better off asking after tomorrow's debate - 18/10/2011 10:19:50 AM 873 Views
He wasn't Abel ^_^ *NM* - 18/10/2011 01:24:57 PM 272 Views
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *NM* - 18/10/2011 06:44:55 PM 269 Views
I have trouble taking him seriously - 18/10/2011 01:59:23 PM 735 Views
That is the problem with all Romneys opponents. - 18/10/2011 03:32:50 PM 746 Views
what positions of Perry's do you consider radical? - 18/10/2011 03:56:30 PM 639 Views
Well, abolishing Social Security is pretty far out there, and publicly threatening the Fed Chairman. - 18/10/2011 04:50:03 PM 846 Views
yes but I was talkin about his actuall posistions not the made up stuff *NM* - 18/10/2011 05:10:47 PM 348 Views
When the candidate "makes them up" they are positions. - 18/10/2011 05:26:18 PM 656 Views
all you need to do is provide a link supporting your claim that Perry said he wants to abolish SS - 18/10/2011 05:56:23 PM 591 Views
Really? Do you not watch the news? That's common knowledge *NM* - 18/10/2011 06:04:06 PM 265 Views
Really give me link *NM* - 18/10/2011 06:38:24 PM 265 Views
It is ridiculously simple; here ya go: - 18/10/2011 08:15:24 PM 697 Views
OK he doesn't like it now give me the link where he wants to abolish it - 18/10/2011 09:29:38 PM 632 Views
You see no conflict between this post and your next one? - 18/10/2011 10:16:21 PM 785 Views
no I don't - 18/10/2011 11:36:38 PM 712 Views
By his own statements he either wants to end it or violate the Constitution. - 19/10/2011 12:13:33 AM 683 Views
you really excell at misunderstanding *NM* - 19/10/2011 12:30:32 AM 288 Views
and Perry is right about SS being unconstitutional - 18/10/2011 09:44:14 PM 626 Views
And you criticize MY choice of "unbiased" sources.... - 18/10/2011 10:33:56 PM 771 Views
I'm not a conservative, but - 18/10/2011 04:56:22 PM 679 Views
*hi5* *NM* - 18/10/2011 05:05:19 PM 273 Views
Imagine there is no pizza *NM* - 19/10/2011 12:02:36 AM 286 Views
Cain is the anti-christ? *NM* - 19/10/2011 12:18:21 AM 241 Views
Post-debate, my opinion is fairly unchanged - 19/10/2011 06:35:32 AM 840 Views
Romney slapped Perry down so hard tonight. It was wonderful. - 19/10/2011 06:53:52 AM 724 Views
It was that, I rather enjoyed it - 19/10/2011 07:10:49 AM 672 Views
I promise - 19/10/2011 10:33:49 AM 768 Views
I can see the buttons now: "Vote for... something... maybe...!" - 20/10/2011 10:46:44 AM 1104 Views
...the words made sense by themselves, but when I put them together, meaning vanished. - 20/10/2011 11:33:46 AM 637 Views
Try sounding out each word. - 20/10/2011 11:59:25 AM 713 Views
let me ask you this about Cain - 19/10/2011 01:47:36 PM 764 Views
Why is that, would you think? - 19/10/2011 06:29:53 PM 697 Views
There just seems to be strong lack of good choices - 19/10/2011 06:50:25 PM 746 Views
I'm getting the same impression... not necessarily worse candidates, just more criticism. - 19/10/2011 08:37:21 PM 879 Views
I blame the press - 19/10/2011 09:05:36 PM 846 Views
Amen to that. I agree with everything you say. - 19/10/2011 09:49:45 PM 767 Views
I blame the public, and, to a lesser degree, Nielsen and Armitron. - 20/10/2011 11:39:43 AM 761 Views
tl;dr *NM* - 20/10/2011 12:19:03 PM 270 Views
Still prefer "TL;DV." - 20/10/2011 12:33:41 PM 778 Views
Re: There just seems to be strong lack of good choices - 20/10/2011 03:25:20 PM 985 Views
don't get me wrong I am not calling for a moderate - 20/10/2011 04:02:01 PM 893 Views
Re: let me ask you this about Cain - 20/10/2011 07:05:43 AM 689 Views

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