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In much the same way Jacob Send a noteboard - 23/02/2012 01:40:58 PM
that then you have no right to a military, roads, bridges, postal service, dikes, dams, fuel reserves, currency, etc. etc.... no wait, and now you're going to tell me that you can get that with sales taxes and property taxes? Wait, those are just other ways that tax a far higher portion of lower/mid income peoples' income as opposed to higher income folks. Sure, sure you say... it's only on what people consume or need to live. Great... as soon as people can just stop paying for stuff, that'll be the life. Hey, people just don't have the right make me pay MY MONEY for stuff. I should get to keep ALL MY MONEY and people should just give me the stuff I want. Yeah.

Enjoy your little subsistence farm out on an island somewhere outside the purview of the USA. We'd write, but it'll just take a long time for that bottle to float all the way out there.
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Why Joel is CRAZY - Nearly Half of All Americans Don't Pay Federal Income Taxes Anonymous2000 - 23/02/2012 04:43:15 AM 1674 Views
A not so hypothetical situation... wooly - 23/02/2012 05:46:44 AM 1086 Views
Your paying more money now than then. Lower rate but more money *NM* Urza - 23/02/2012 07:52:51 AM 642 Views
Accurate statement, but not a justification *NM* wooly - 23/02/2012 03:44:55 PM 542 Views
Re: A not so hypothetical situation... Macharius - 23/02/2012 02:39:43 PM 1181 Views
I don't know much about that. wooly - 23/02/2012 03:53:27 PM 997 Views
Why the heck do you think the current tax system is skewed to the rich? Anonymous2000 - 23/02/2012 03:18:43 PM 1215 Views
That's a fair question wooly - 23/02/2012 03:52:08 PM 1111 Views
Once again, poor people have no money with which to pay taxes. Joel - 23/02/2012 06:23:07 AM 1236 Views
50% of America is not "poor" or too poor to pay federal income taxes..... Anonymous2000 - 23/02/2012 01:01:24 PM 1139 Views
It clearly is, if they're not paying taxes. Macharius - 23/02/2012 02:32:54 PM 1099 Views
Regarding the mortgage deduction..... Anonymous2000 - 23/02/2012 03:20:37 PM 1210 Views
You base that statement on what, exactly? Fervent desire that it be true? Joel - 25/02/2012 12:43:30 AM 1620 Views
2009 (the year cited for this claim) was an outlier because of temporary tax cuts and the economy. Dreaded Anomaly - 25/02/2012 01:14:01 AM 1407 Views
Interesting, but lacking the data I consider critical; FICA etc. should not be counted, IMHO. Joel - 25/02/2012 02:10:45 AM 1255 Views
It's a phrasing thing, permits more bullshit Isaac - 25/02/2012 04:41:06 AM 1208 Views
Maybe I am just playing the same game,but I find stats from "the other side" compelling in some ways Joel - 25/02/2012 10:36:40 AM 1679 Views
Well they are compelling in some ways, but they got you again Isaac - 25/02/2012 05:21:34 PM 1127 Views
They both used AGI, so there has to be something else missing. Joel - 27/02/2012 10:07:58 AM 1097 Views
You're operating under the same fallacy he does - that people should pay income taxes. Cannoli - 23/02/2012 12:05:52 PM 1270 Views
In much the same way Jacob - 23/02/2012 01:40:58 PM 1237 Views
Same argument re: fallacies Cannoli - 24/02/2012 02:52:17 PM 1068 Views
Was meant as a joke reply Jacob - 02/03/2012 06:30:15 PM 1386 Views
Joel is crazy, but I highly doubt that this is "why" Tom - 23/02/2012 01:36:37 PM 1268 Views
HA! HA! Very well played! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 23/02/2012 03:49:35 PM 495 Views
I see your point, but not how it changes much in the conversation where we discussed that Joel - 25/02/2012 01:49:29 AM 1055 Views
Joel, get your head out of your ass, if that is possible Tom - 25/02/2012 07:02:34 PM 1109 Views
You kiss your momma with that ad hominem? Joel - 27/02/2012 09:11:33 AM 1284 Views
You mention this statistic all the time. Macharius - 23/02/2012 02:16:47 PM 957 Views
Obviously, we are talking about the bottom 50%..... Anonymous2000 - 23/02/2012 03:22:43 PM 987 Views
How do you account for retired folks? Macharius - 23/02/2012 04:18:59 PM 1196 Views
social security isn't taxable either *NM* Jim - 24/02/2012 04:21:21 AM 564 Views
Easy... he doesn't. Dannymac - 25/02/2012 02:56:05 AM 942 Views
I wonder how much of that statistic is students LadyLorraine - 23/02/2012 02:22:58 PM 1211 Views
The number "paying taxes" should include dependents of those paying Floffe - 23/02/2012 02:39:21 PM 1177 Views
yah I read the link, but apparently I just didn't understand their explanation. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2012 05:40:54 PM 985 Views
Federal taxes Aeryn - 23/02/2012 04:18:22 PM 1092 Views
Your figures are fairly unrealistic Isaac - 23/02/2012 04:54:44 PM 1279 Views
Not entirely. Tom - 23/02/2012 06:30:18 PM 1027 Views
Yeah I don't normally assume NY as a baseline Isaac - 23/02/2012 06:41:37 PM 1104 Views
It probably isn't. We even tax delivery fees, gardening services and other things with sales tax. Tom - 25/02/2012 07:03:46 PM 1075 Views
We don't tax transport of property either Isaac - 25/02/2012 08:16:53 PM 1118 Views
Places usually get around it with free delivery. A tax on a $0 item is still $0. *NM* Tom - 25/02/2012 09:12:22 PM 520 Views
On exempting SS income: Joel - 25/02/2012 02:30:43 AM 1037 Views
Is there any reason why one should exclude the other? Legolas - 23/02/2012 07:32:09 PM 1094 Views
Income taxes are not the only kind of taxes. 86% of Americans pay payroll or income tax. Dreaded Anomaly - 23/02/2012 09:51:50 PM 1230 Views
And give the riff raff a reason to become involved in politics? Are you daft? *NM* Vodalus - 24/02/2012 05:04:51 AM 684 Views
25% of america is under 18, that means ~25% of the rest are not working or paid very little moondog - 25/02/2012 08:17:52 PM 1225 Views
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