Realistically, the greatest concern by far is that, whether or not US anti-nuclear missile defenses are effective, they have yielded one long predicted effect: Chinas new DF-41 ICBM and JL-2 SLBM are both MIRV-capable. Chinas MIRV interest was long delayed by knowledge the US lacked means to intercept nuclear warheads, and Russia means beyond Moscow itself. America seeking means to defeat a high percentage of nuclear warheads, in turn spurred China to seek means to launch far more such warheads, including many decoys. That said, China has seemed a largely rational (if often provocative) actor since Maos death, an inclination their growing influence and accomplishments only reinforce. The more they have to lose, the less likely they are to sacrifice it.
Conventionally, China is rapidly gaining parity with Russia but still far behind the US in both technology and material. One of the observations I read in commentary on the new carrier China commissioned last week was that neither it nor Indias would make much difference in a conflict between the two countries except in "blue water:" The combined defensive force would hopelessly outmatch both carriers in assaults on land targets.
The consensus is Chinas new carrier is more a matter of prestige than military capability; a Soviet castoff purchased from Russia, analysts compare it to Americas Essex Class carriers. If you need an idea what that means: My dad served on an Essex Class (USS Bon Homme Richard, CVA-31) in the late fifties. It was state of the art—when launched the day before he turned 8, in 1944. Even at that, the Liaonings aircraft complement of 50 planes plus some helicopters is dwarfed by the 90+ fighters and fighter-bombers the Bonnie Dick carried in the '50s and the Nimitz Class carriers carry now.
A greater concern is Chinas moves toward stealth, but the PLA says the J-20 (supposedly) cannot enter service before 2017, and its top speed, agility, stealth-capable radar, and even overall stealth are serously questioned. The last is difficult to estimate since its current radar detectable components may be temporary, to facilitate flight tests. Perhaps most significant is the J-20 sacrificed speed and maneuverability for greater range than US Raptors and JSFs (the latter also scheduled for 2017 service.) That suggests a country seeking global power projection through a ground rather than carrier based air force.
The greatest issue is probably technological espion/sabotage and Chinese manufacturing growing at US expense, as ominous for defense contractors as for the rest of US manufacturing. Americas strategic dominance throughout most of the last century was directly due to its technological and production dominance. If the last two advantages disappear, the first must surely follow, since it depends almost entirely on them. However, that threat is more internal than external.
Conventionally, China is rapidly gaining parity with Russia but still far behind the US in both technology and material. One of the observations I read in commentary on the new carrier China commissioned last week was that neither it nor Indias would make much difference in a conflict between the two countries except in "blue water:" The combined defensive force would hopelessly outmatch both carriers in assaults on land targets.
The consensus is Chinas new carrier is more a matter of prestige than military capability; a Soviet castoff purchased from Russia, analysts compare it to Americas Essex Class carriers. If you need an idea what that means: My dad served on an Essex Class (USS Bon Homme Richard, CVA-31) in the late fifties. It was state of the art—when launched the day before he turned 8, in 1944. Even at that, the Liaonings aircraft complement of 50 planes plus some helicopters is dwarfed by the 90+ fighters and fighter-bombers the Bonnie Dick carried in the '50s and the Nimitz Class carriers carry now.
A greater concern is Chinas moves toward stealth, but the PLA says the J-20 (supposedly) cannot enter service before 2017, and its top speed, agility, stealth-capable radar, and even overall stealth are serously questioned. The last is difficult to estimate since its current radar detectable components may be temporary, to facilitate flight tests. Perhaps most significant is the J-20 sacrificed speed and maneuverability for greater range than US Raptors and JSFs (the latter also scheduled for 2017 service.) That suggests a country seeking global power projection through a ground rather than carrier based air force.
The greatest issue is probably technological espion/sabotage and Chinese manufacturing growing at US expense, as ominous for defense contractors as for the rest of US manufacturing. Americas strategic dominance throughout most of the last century was directly due to its technological and production dominance. If the last two advantages disappear, the first must surely follow, since it depends almost entirely on them. However, that threat is more internal than external.
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Romney CRUSHES Obama in First Debate - Leads Swing States by 4%
04/10/2012 05:32:32 AM
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So, is that from a "corrected", "non-skewed" poll?
04/10/2012 05:51:58 AM
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Wow, you suck at Googling!
04/10/2012 01:14:22 PM
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Which poll at your link shows anything but Obama leading every swing state but NC?
04/10/2012 05:41:31 PM
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No, you just apparently suck at math
04/10/2012 07:17:20 PM
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I know you are sad, but your Messiah may still win.....you never know!
04/10/2012 07:23:16 PM
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your mental instability and misperception of reality are worrisome -- please seek professional help
04/10/2012 07:54:45 PM
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I'm more of a syndicalist, sorry
04/10/2012 08:43:48 PM
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Ooh, would you mind talking more about syndicalism?
04/10/2012 11:28:40 PM
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Sure, but I'm no doctrainaire on this
05/10/2012 01:13:19 AM
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Thank you!
Reading the wikipedia entry was making my eyes glaze over. But I can try again now. *NM*
05/10/2012 02:14:50 PM
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It really should be mandatory for everyone to read factcheck.org after every debate. *NM*
04/10/2012 09:38:24 AM
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Seriously. The number of times I squinted and thought, "Wait, that doesn't sound quite right"
04/10/2012 02:01:12 PM
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Romney addressed that head-on
04/10/2012 02:13:44 PM
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Yeah, but it ain't, and it was Obamas job to make that unnecessary.
04/10/2012 03:26:50 PM
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Obama - Lost and Bewildered without Teleprompter.....funny stuff!
04/10/2012 01:10:40 PM
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Which part of Romneys socialism was your favorite?
04/10/2012 03:38:17 PM
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I keep thinking that was what killed Obama.
04/10/2012 04:45:02 PM
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I suspected that was a lot of it, yeah, but he should have been prepared for the Etch-a-Sketch.
04/10/2012 05:25:35 PM
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living in a bubble where everyone agreed on those things and is what killed him
04/10/2012 05:59:29 PM
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why do you silly lefites keep acting like Romney is the first guy to move to the center?
04/10/2012 05:46:13 PM
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The primary was six months ago, and endorsing every aspect of limited welfare states is not centrist
04/10/2012 06:00:56 PM
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can you support that insane argument? *NM*
05/10/2012 01:10:11 PM
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Romney explicitly endorsed regulations, soaking the rich, entitlements and public education funding.
05/10/2012 02:25:49 PM
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you could have just said no
05/10/2012 05:25:44 PM
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Since when was Romney (or any Republican since TRs day) for more regulation or hiring more teachers?
06/10/2012 01:33:53 PM
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Well Bush was pushing for more banking regulations but Barney Franks blocked him
07/10/2012 03:52:50 PM
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A2000, your message should read:
04/10/2012 03:42:18 PM
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I consider the margin of error implied.
04/10/2012 05:49:50 PM
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Unfortunately statistics does not support that.
04/10/2012 06:11:56 PM
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Of course they do; the law of averages supports that.
04/10/2012 06:46:27 PM
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Poll numbers aren't random so even if the law of averages could be applied to a small data set...
04/10/2012 07:05:49 PM
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If not random, they are indicative (if not necessary conclusive,) and the data set is large enough.
04/10/2012 08:55:24 PM
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Let me rephrase: the law of averages is a belief. You are basing your conclusion on a belief.
04/10/2012 09:23:50 PM
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I have never used the Law of Averages to mean anything except the (proven) Law of Large Numbers.
05/10/2012 09:22:56 AM
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I'm pretty sure that 136 is not a large number. *NM*
05/10/2012 12:20:35 PM
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That is a matter of opinion, but for a binary event I think it huge.
05/10/2012 12:42:24 PM
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Without additional data, the default would be that the coin is fair. Since...
05/10/2012 05:20:21 PM
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After 136 trials the DEFAULT assumption no longer applies in the face of ample hard data.
06/10/2012 04:02:51 PM
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I did the same experiment I suggested for you.
06/10/2012 04:45:28 PM
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Still not a 3:1 ratio.
06/10/2012 06:09:00 PM
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Let me try and put it a slightly different way.
06/10/2012 08:12:35 PM
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The more lopsided/large the trial, the more LIKELY the coin is unfair;weight is the only way to KNOW
07/10/2012 12:09:27 PM
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You're completely missing the point.
07/10/2012 03:34:29 PM
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But 100 polls isn't analogous to 100 coin flips. Each of thousands of individuals is a coin flip.
07/10/2012 11:05:13 PM
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that is why you can't base things on just one poll
05/10/2012 01:27:18 AM
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You are making the same mistake Joel is making. You should read our discussion. *NM*
05/10/2012 01:50:01 AM
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there is a difference between statistical errors and model or method errors
05/10/2012 03:28:38 AM
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There is a difference between the law of averages and the law of large numbers.
05/10/2012 04:45:00 AM
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you left out part of that wiki quote you pasted
05/10/2012 05:30:52 AM
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You still haven't justified the application of the law of large numbers.
05/10/2012 12:24:51 PM
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I suggest you take some time to understand what I wrote and get back to me
05/10/2012 01:12:03 PM
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I obviously must have missed where you justified the use of the law of large numbers.
05/10/2012 04:43:51 PM
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WellI did that twice and I am waiting for you to refute what I said *NM*
05/10/2012 05:28:18 PM
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Since you are unwilling to be helpful...
05/10/2012 05:50:47 PM
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The law is a trend throughout, not a pass/fail based on if the number of polls is "large enough"
06/10/2012 03:26:33 PM
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I'm not saying that the law of large numbers doesn't make the margin of error less when...
06/10/2012 04:55:16 PM
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decades of polling history say you are wrong
07/10/2012 04:08:45 PM
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Stating that, "decades of polling history say you are wrong" doesn't prove your point.
07/10/2012 05:35:57 PM
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you are either ignoring what I am saying or you are mentally unable to understand it so I am done
07/10/2012 06:11:22 PM
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As you wish. I'm starting to get the same feeling from you as well. So whatever. But before you go..
07/10/2012 07:20:17 PM
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can wait for Ryan vs Bozo the VP
04/10/2012 06:07:30 PM
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If Biden performs as expected...
04/10/2012 07:46:16 PM
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your take on obama's foreign policy debate performance does not seem like reality
04/10/2012 08:00:51 PM
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I never would have thought Romney could lay such a beatdown on Obama as I saw last night.
04/10/2012 08:55:46 PM
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we saw the anti-romney last night. i doubt obama is going to be so flat-footed against him next time
04/10/2012 10:35:21 PM
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by that you mean he isn't the Romney the left tried to pretend he was and now they are mad
05/10/2012 12:53:00 AM
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right.... that whole 47% thing is a totally moderate position for a politician to take...
*NM*
05/10/2012 04:32:25 AM
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about as moderate as thinking the government didn't help New Orleans because it has a lot of blacks
05/10/2012 04:51:15 AM
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if you only have obama's comments from LAST election in 2008 then you have nothing
05/10/2012 03:38:07 PM
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who would you consider our number one geopolitical foe?
04/10/2012 10:12:53 PM
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China is far more dangerous. *NM*
05/10/2012 07:23:06 AM
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Whoa, was not expecting that point of agreement.
05/10/2012 12:35:35 PM
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I'm not frightened of them, but they're hardly an ally. *NM*
05/10/2012 03:55:45 PM
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I am not frightened, but am concerned.
06/10/2012 01:27:40 PM
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they may be more dangerous but that doesn't that doesn't automatically make them first
05/10/2012 01:09:30 PM
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name two foreign policy decisions russia has blocked since 2008 *NM*
05/10/2012 03:41:15 PM
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It's generally both of them, really, isn't it?
05/10/2012 10:03:39 PM
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Agreed; much of it is that both China and Russia profit handsomely from nuclear proliferation.
06/10/2012 01:55:21 PM
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They both block us in the Middle East but Russia blocks us in Europe o a much larger degree
07/10/2012 04:22:40 PM
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WOW - Even the liberal CNN Poll confirms Romney's crushing victory.
04/10/2012 07:27:28 PM
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I watched it now. A few thoughts (albeit rather late):
05/10/2012 09:46:02 PM
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you are missing a key point
07/10/2012 04:34:17 PM
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Am I missing that point? I thought I said clearly enough that I thought Romney was better. *NM*
07/10/2012 08:47:42 PM
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