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Condemn women to die? What a strange way to look at this. Narg Send a noteboard - 26/10/2012 07:17:16 PM
If your worry is that a mother whose life is in danger will not be able to get an abortion, then in keeping with the rest of our laws and morality, there should be a self defense exception which allows a mother to get an abortion if her own life is in danger.

But there is some dispute about when the unborn is "a being", so we err on the side of killing them? You can say that you are erring on the side of freedom, but when it comes to taking a life, personal freedom should be, and is, restrained in favor of another's right to life.

We heavily regulate the taking of life. In fact, you generally can only do it in defense of your own life or somebody else's. And even then your actions will be scrutinized to ensure that a killing was indeed in self defense.

This does not rely on any religious argument, but if you would like to take religion into account (assuming a judeo/christian background) then it is beyond simple. God has commanded us not to kill. If we are unsure about the status of babies in the womb then the only reasonable and safe position, morally speaking, is to err on the side of life. I believe that most christians would agree that shedding innocent blood is at or near the top of the worst sins you can commit. Yet we cavalierly allow the killing of the unborn in the mother's womb when at best we are not sure how God views it.

Christians have something else to go on besides just common sense and the pure feeling of wrongness that accompanies the idea of killing the unborn. The early church fathers have spoken out against abortion. What weight do they hold? If you are a trinitarian christian they must hold some weight.

A little learning is a dangerous thing.
This message last edited by Narg on 26/10/2012 at 07:19:44 PM
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Do you really think God would condone abortion? *NM* - 26/10/2012 03:28:25 PM 393 Views
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Jesus that Greek sounds weird to my ears. - 27/10/2012 03:43:40 AM 768 Views
It's really just simplified Attic. - 27/10/2012 06:11:48 AM 651 Views
Condemn women to die? What a strange way to look at this. - 26/10/2012 07:17:16 PM 702 Views
women *did* die before abortion was legalized, there should be no dispute of this aspect - 26/10/2012 07:27:28 PM 736 Views
Very good point, but that was not (at least soley) what I meant, no. - 26/10/2012 11:12:32 PM 657 Views
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THAT is the whole problem with his comment. - 26/10/2012 05:59:40 PM 622 Views
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Who said anything about denying them funds? - 27/10/2012 01:54:39 AM 703 Views
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[citation needed] - 27/10/2012 12:15:41 AM 610 Views
It was an illinois state bill. *NM* - 27/10/2012 12:23:12 AM 343 Views
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It is not hard to find, really. - 27/10/2012 02:40:06 AM 614 Views
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Double post. *NM* - 27/10/2012 12:18:42 AM 343 Views
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