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Who said anything about denying them funds? Joel Send a noteboard - 27/10/2012 01:54:39 AM
McMahon for saying taxpayer funded religious hospitals can deny rape victims morning after pills,
So wait, the Susan G Konnen foundation is evil for declining to fund an organization because of that organization's main purposes has little or nothing to do with SGK's raison d'etre, but it's just fine for all the important work and genuine medical emergencies and real problems being taken care of at a hospital to be defunded, because they decline to provide a luxury drug in defiance of their moral principles (the same religious ideals that made them open a hospital in the first place)?

It's just fine for the government to deny funds intended to support medical emergencies and other health and medical issues pertaining to the general welfare of the people as a whole (almost 50% of whom will absolutely never need a morning after pill, but do have shorter life expectancies and tend to hold more dangerous jobs), over hospitals sticking to religious principles on the subject of luxury treatments...but it's evil for the Catholic Church to close down or stop supporting those same institutions when intrusive legislation forces her to fund institutions and relationships that have been explicitly against its rules for two millenia.

I never said they should be denied funding, only that they should not withhold the benefits of that funding from those with genuine need. And, of course, that the implication there are "emergency" and "non-emergency" rapes is on the same level as "non-forcible rape" and "illegitmate rape."

Again, the Republican Partys epidemic of saying, "yes, but..." about congressman after congressmans supporting abortion bans with NO exceptions highlights rather than obscures the party-wide support for banning abortion with NO exceptions. It is painfully clear a vote for a Republican Congressman, Senator, Vice President or President is a vote for the federal government outlawing all abortion, regardless of reason.


Bullshit. What exactly have they ever done in that direction beyond campaign speeches, and trimming some of the more outrageous procedures?

Co-sponsor (in Akins case, write,) a federal ban on abortion even for rape victims? That covers three GOP incumbent Congressmen, including the VP and MO Senate nominees. Romney responded by saying the only reason he would not deligtedly sign that law is Congress will not pass it, so most of the GOP is trying to "fix" that.
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God Distances Self From Christian Right - 26/10/2012 01:56:18 PM 1351 Views
Do you really think God would condone abortion? *NM* - 26/10/2012 03:28:25 PM 400 Views
Depends on when a fetus is a being, which the GOP contends is "at the moment of fertilization." - 26/10/2012 03:57:44 PM 661 Views
Actually, I don't see any place in the Bible where God is.... - 26/10/2012 04:00:19 PM 851 Views
Where did I say one word about God accommodating our sin? - 26/10/2012 05:55:52 PM 700 Views
You're technically right, Joel, but... - 26/10/2012 07:32:10 PM 678 Views
Almost may count in hand grenades, but definitely not in canon. - 26/10/2012 10:28:57 PM 755 Views
That's a dangerous stance to take as a Christian - 27/10/2012 01:11:14 AM 688 Views
I agree it is good reading; that does not make it binding. - 27/10/2012 01:37:20 AM 693 Views
Jesus that Greek sounds weird to my ears. - 27/10/2012 03:43:40 AM 788 Views
It's really just simplified Attic. - 27/10/2012 06:11:48 AM 672 Views
Condemn women to die? What a strange way to look at this. - 26/10/2012 07:17:16 PM 723 Views
women *did* die before abortion was legalized, there should be no dispute of this aspect - 26/10/2012 07:27:28 PM 755 Views
Very good point, but that was not (at least soley) what I meant, no. - 26/10/2012 11:12:32 PM 677 Views
If something should be illegal in its own right, it is nonsense to legalize it because criminals - 26/10/2012 11:40:41 PM 707 Views
If banning it saves no lives but inevitably takes more, the ban is counterproductive. - 27/10/2012 12:48:51 AM 727 Views
That is absolutely absurd. It saves the lives of all... - 27/10/2012 12:59:16 AM 745 Views
you're still missing the point that abortions will still be performed if it were illegal - 27/10/2012 01:02:57 AM 659 Views
I'm not missing the point, you are. - 27/10/2012 01:21:39 AM 803 Views
People who want abortions badly enough to have one will, whether or not law makes it "convenient." - 27/10/2012 02:58:52 AM 645 Views
You're stuck. - 27/10/2012 07:07:36 AM 763 Views
not entirely - 27/10/2012 03:23:07 PM 772 Views
Give me facts, not supposition. - 27/10/2012 04:10:57 PM 716 Views
Perfect example of media sensationalism - 26/10/2012 04:13:41 PM 753 Views
I agree with your larger point and am not trying to be argumentative - 26/10/2012 04:29:23 PM 718 Views
THAT is the whole problem with his comment. - 26/10/2012 05:59:40 PM 651 Views
Or it could mean.... - 26/10/2012 11:50:53 PM 690 Views
Re: Or it could mean.... - 27/10/2012 12:14:31 AM 673 Views
I agree - 26/10/2012 07:27:21 PM 743 Views
It's always a slippery slope, talking about what God did and did not intend. - 27/10/2012 12:06:22 AM 694 Views
Yes - 27/10/2012 02:20:46 AM 722 Views
I suppose it is splitting hairs. - 27/10/2012 04:32:43 PM 685 Views
Pregnancy cannot be separated from its cause. - 26/10/2012 05:51:28 PM 696 Views
Re: Pregnancy cannot be separated from its cause. - 27/10/2012 01:17:04 AM 703 Views
Who said anything about denying them funds? - 27/10/2012 01:54:39 AM 732 Views
God intends everything. - 27/10/2012 04:40:58 PM 774 Views
"Intends" is a big word. - 27/10/2012 09:23:13 PM 694 Views
Re: "Intends" is a big word. - 29/10/2012 04:56:49 PM 665 Views
I am familiar with the Problem of Evil. - 29/10/2012 06:41:13 PM 681 Views
Absolutely agree. *NM* - 26/10/2012 11:47:04 PM 356 Views
It is sad that this is getting more press than the Bengazi scandal *NM* - 26/10/2012 05:58:22 PM 357 Views
It is sad partisanship trumps policy for so many. - 26/10/2012 10:52:34 PM 616 Views
The comment that sparked this was moronic even to the vast majority of religious conservatives. *NM* - 26/10/2012 09:42:51 PM 368 Views
Yet its author remains the only Senate nominee for whom Romney is running ads. - 26/10/2012 10:53:37 PM 661 Views
Is the senator's comment more disgusting to you than the President's vote against the - 26/10/2012 11:54:55 PM 674 Views
how does one vote against a bill which passed by unanimous consent? - 27/10/2012 12:11:37 AM 665 Views
As a state senator in 2001 in illinois he was the sole opponent to the aforementioned bill. *NM* - 27/10/2012 12:14:08 AM 370 Views
[citation needed] - 27/10/2012 12:15:41 AM 628 Views
It was an illinois state bill. *NM* - 27/10/2012 12:23:12 AM 360 Views
yes, i finally found *something* regarding a state bill which he did oppose - 27/10/2012 12:34:40 AM 682 Views
It is not hard to find, really. - 27/10/2012 02:40:06 AM 632 Views
Links: - 27/10/2012 12:51:12 AM 693 Views
Double post. *NM* - 27/10/2012 12:18:42 AM 351 Views
amazing - 28/10/2012 05:04:21 AM 789 Views

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