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Re: "Intends" is a big word. Palatine Send a noteboard - 29/10/2012 04:56:49 PM
God gave us free will; that does not mean He intended every human act, else it would be incredible unjust for Him to hold anyone else accountable for sin He foreordained. He takes into account acts He knows we will commit, compensates for them so we do not individually or collectively derail the universes destiny, but just because He cleans up our messes when necessary does not mean He made them in the first place.


Is God all-knowing? If he is, then he knows what will happen before it happens. If he doesn't do anything to stop it, then he intends it. It's really that simple.

So yes, he/it are unjust.
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God Distances Self From Christian Right Joel - 26/10/2012 01:56:18 PM 1421 Views
Do you really think God would condone abortion? *NM* Dark Knight - 26/10/2012 03:28:25 PM 431 Views
Depends on when a fetus is a being, which the GOP contends is "at the moment of fertilization." Joel - 26/10/2012 03:57:44 PM 717 Views
Actually, I don't see any place in the Bible where God is.... Jeordam - 26/10/2012 04:00:19 PM 914 Views
Where did I say one word about God accommodating our sin? Joel - 26/10/2012 05:55:52 PM 759 Views
You're technically right, Joel, but... Tom - 26/10/2012 07:32:10 PM 750 Views
Almost may count in hand grenades, but definitely not in canon. Joel - 26/10/2012 10:28:57 PM 810 Views
Your lack of scientific understanding is everything in this instance. Jeordam - 26/10/2012 10:44:05 PM 763 Views
Because whether God intends rape is aaaall about science, right? Joel - 26/10/2012 11:08:16 PM 667 Views
You're getting rather emphatic. Jeordam - 26/10/2012 11:27:07 PM 720 Views
Broad fundamental change to US law by controlling all three branches of government provokes that. Joel - 27/10/2012 12:44:59 AM 744 Views
That's a dangerous stance to take as a Christian Tom - 27/10/2012 01:11:14 AM 751 Views
I agree it is good reading; that does not make it binding. Joel - 27/10/2012 01:37:20 AM 747 Views
Jesus that Greek sounds weird to my ears. Dan - 27/10/2012 03:43:40 AM 856 Views
It's really just simplified Attic. Tom - 27/10/2012 06:11:48 AM 723 Views
Condemn women to die? What a strange way to look at this. Narg - 26/10/2012 07:17:16 PM 781 Views
women *did* die before abortion was legalized, there should be no dispute of this aspect moondog - 26/10/2012 07:27:28 PM 814 Views
So we legalize an illegal act because some are willing to harm themselves to do it? *NM* Narg - 26/10/2012 10:02:37 PM 416 Views
no, we legalize the act so that it can be performed safely without killing both mother *and* child *NM* moondog - 26/10/2012 11:08:52 PM 407 Views
At least you acknowledge it as a child. *NM* Jeordam - 26/10/2012 11:28:30 PM 426 Views
Very good point, but that was not (at least soley) what I meant, no. Joel - 26/10/2012 11:12:32 PM 731 Views
If something should be illegal in its own right, it is nonsense to legalize it because criminals Narg - 26/10/2012 11:40:41 PM 757 Views
If banning it saves no lives but inevitably takes more, the ban is counterproductive. Joel - 27/10/2012 12:48:51 AM 798 Views
That is absolutely absurd. It saves the lives of all... Narg - 27/10/2012 12:59:16 AM 796 Views
you're still missing the point that abortions will still be performed if it were illegal moondog - 27/10/2012 01:02:57 AM 734 Views
I'm not missing the point, you are. Narg - 27/10/2012 01:21:39 AM 859 Views
This isn't necessarily true, though it is often due to other factors. nossy - 27/10/2012 02:48:00 PM 755 Views
People who want abortions badly enough to have one will, whether or not law makes it "convenient." Joel - 27/10/2012 02:58:52 AM 712 Views
You're stuck. Narg - 27/10/2012 07:07:36 AM 818 Views
not entirely nossy - 27/10/2012 03:23:07 PM 842 Views
Give me facts, not supposition. Joel - 27/10/2012 04:10:57 PM 768 Views
Telling a woman whose life was in danger not to save it with abortion condemned her to die Joel - 26/10/2012 10:48:53 PM 710 Views
There is no proof that you would accept that a fetus is a child. Narg - 26/10/2012 11:31:50 PM 696 Views
Fantastic question. Jeordam - 26/10/2012 11:43:51 PM 722 Views
No, I would err on the side of caution; have often said as much in just those words. Joel - 27/10/2012 01:18:19 AM 714 Views
Sure there is; show me a fetus acting indepedently and consciously. Joel - 27/10/2012 01:15:00 AM 778 Views
Perfect example of media sensationalism Palatine - 26/10/2012 04:13:41 PM 809 Views
I agree with your larger point and am not trying to be argumentative Sareitha Sedai - 26/10/2012 04:29:23 PM 773 Views
yeah, but what do women know about women's issues? this is man talk time! moondog - 26/10/2012 05:01:58 PM 754 Views
THAT is the whole problem with his comment. Joel - 26/10/2012 05:59:40 PM 715 Views
Or it could mean.... Jeordam - 26/10/2012 11:50:53 PM 750 Views
Re: Or it could mean.... moondog - 27/10/2012 12:14:31 AM 731 Views
Having addressed this in response to Legolas in moondogs thread on Mourdock, I will just link that. Joel - 27/10/2012 01:43:48 AM 755 Views
I agree nossy - 26/10/2012 07:27:21 PM 791 Views
It's always a slippery slope, talking about what God did and did not intend. Legolas - 27/10/2012 12:06:22 AM 749 Views
Yes nossy - 27/10/2012 02:20:46 AM 794 Views
There is a logically consistent way; you did not ask for it, so I will be brief. Joel - 27/10/2012 02:53:09 AM 766 Views
I suppose it is splitting hairs. Palatine - 27/10/2012 04:32:43 PM 736 Views
Pregnancy cannot be separated from its cause. Joel - 26/10/2012 05:51:28 PM 752 Views
Re: Pregnancy cannot be separated from its cause. Cannoli - 27/10/2012 01:17:04 AM 774 Views
Who said anything about denying them funds? Joel - 27/10/2012 01:54:39 AM 802 Views
God intends everything. Palatine - 27/10/2012 04:40:58 PM 831 Views
"Intends" is a big word. Joel - 27/10/2012 09:23:13 PM 748 Views
Re: "Intends" is a big word. Palatine - 29/10/2012 04:56:49 PM 733 Views
I am familiar with the Problem of Evil. Joel - 29/10/2012 06:41:13 PM 744 Views
Absolutely agree. *NM* Legolas - 26/10/2012 11:47:04 PM 381 Views
It is sad that this is getting more press than the Bengazi scandal *NM* random thoughts - 26/10/2012 05:58:22 PM 390 Views
that's probably because it's more relevant to most people's lives *NM* moondog - 26/10/2012 06:06:10 PM 401 Views
It is sad partisanship trumps policy for so many. Joel - 26/10/2012 10:52:34 PM 671 Views
This entire scandal really speaks to the Calvinist heresy in particular. Tom - 26/10/2012 07:10:38 PM 719 Views
I was trying REALLY hard to avoid putting it in precisely those terms. Joel - 26/10/2012 10:12:17 PM 768 Views
Well, but really, the fundamental crux of the issue is precisely that. Tom - 27/10/2012 01:03:26 AM 730 Views
True, but disputing founding articles of faith benefits from tact. Joel - 27/10/2012 02:02:48 AM 682 Views
Come on, Tom. Dannymac - 27/10/2012 03:29:39 AM 731 Views
Are you really defending Calvinism? Be better at metaphysics. Dan - 27/10/2012 03:36:22 AM 789 Views
That's precisely the poor sophistry I'd expect from a Calvinist. Tom - 27/10/2012 06:06:31 AM 734 Views
I believe HE grasps the difference between predestination and determinism well. Joel - 27/10/2012 09:33:14 PM 772 Views
The comment that sparked this was moronic even to the vast majority of religious conservatives. *NM* Narg - 26/10/2012 09:42:51 PM 391 Views
Yet its author remains the only Senate nominee for whom Romney is running ads. Joel - 26/10/2012 10:53:37 PM 717 Views
Is the senator's comment more disgusting to you than the President's vote against the Narg - 26/10/2012 11:54:55 PM 727 Views
how does one vote against a bill which passed by unanimous consent? moondog - 27/10/2012 12:11:37 AM 716 Views
As a state senator in 2001 in illinois he was the sole opponent to the aforementioned bill. *NM* Narg - 27/10/2012 12:14:08 AM 395 Views
[citation needed] moondog - 27/10/2012 12:15:41 AM 684 Views
It was an illinois state bill. *NM* Narg - 27/10/2012 12:23:12 AM 401 Views
yes, i finally found *something* regarding a state bill which he did oppose moondog - 27/10/2012 12:34:40 AM 750 Views
It is not hard to find, really. Joel - 27/10/2012 02:40:06 AM 690 Views
Links: Narg - 27/10/2012 12:51:12 AM 750 Views
Double post. *NM* Narg - 27/10/2012 12:18:42 AM 376 Views
The BAIPA became federal law 2 years before Obamas Senate win; he says he would have voted for it. Joel - 27/10/2012 02:33:26 AM 710 Views
Once he started taking fire for it he said he would have voted for it? Well that clears that up. Narg - 27/10/2012 07:09:21 AM 899 Views
He "took fire" for a federal law passed before he was in Congress? Joel - 27/10/2012 04:08:25 PM 806 Views
amazing imlad - 28/10/2012 05:04:21 AM 853 Views
Women are certainly encouraged to weigh in, but everyone is entitled to thoughts on the matter Joel - 28/10/2012 02:22:55 PM 719 Views
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