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I agree with many of your points, but on some the facts seem to say something else. Legolas Send a noteboard - 29/09/2009 04:13:09 PM

As to all the 'Hang the rapist pedophile crap' come on people. I've never heard of a serious pedophile who wasn't a repeat offender and if Polanski is, then it's been hidden amazingly well. Did he know the girl's age at the time? No one knows, although Anjelica Huston (who was present and not involved in the case) said "She certainly didn't strike me as an innocent 13 year old". She goes on to say that the girl could have been anywhere up to 25 and she is one of the few who saw her that night.


Here particularly - I too have serious doubts about calling him a "pedophile", but that he had a pretty good idea about the girl's age seems clear. Wikipedia has the following:

"According to Geimer, Polanski asked Geimer's mother if he could photograph the girl for the French edition of Vogue, which Polanski had been invited to guest-edit. Her mother allowed a private photo shoot. According to Geimer in a 2003 interview, "Everything was going fine; then he asked me to change, well, in front of him." She added, "It didn't feel right, and I didn't want to go back to the second shoot."

Geimer later agreed to a second session, which took place on March 10, 1977 at the Mulholland area home of actor Jack Nicholson in Los Angeles. "We did photos with me drinking champagne," Geimer says. "Toward the end it got a little scary, and I realized he had other intentions and I knew I was not where I should be. I just didn't quite know how to get myself out of there." She recalled in a 2003 interview that she began to feel uncomfortable after he asked her to lie down on a bed, and how she attempted to resist. "I said, 'No, no. I don't want to go in there. No, I don't want to do this. No!', and then I didn't know what else to do," she stated, adding: "We were alone and I didn’t know what else would happen if I made a scene. So I was just scared, and after giving some resistance, I figured well, I guess I’ll get to come home after this".

Geimer testified that Polanski gave her a combination of champagne and quaaludes, a sedative drug, and "despite her protests, he performed oral sex, intercourse and sodomy on her", each time after being told 'no' and being asked to stop." "


Now, there are some parts in there that are he said/she said, and that Geimer might be exaggerating on - though judging on her recent comments, she doesn't seem the type to make things up or exaggerate very much. The article doesn't say which if any parts of that story Polanski disputes, though surely there must be some if he was offered that plea bargain... the accusations as described there are very serious, I can't imagine he would've gotten off lightly for those. But the part about him having talked to her mother and the two sessions deal seem like they would be very easy to check, and hence rather unlikely to be untrue. Of course talking to her mother doesn't automatically mean he knows her age, but at least he must have known she was a minor, and not just technically.
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/History/Politics/I'm not sure: A commentary on the Roman Polanski arrest - 29/09/2009 10:15:12 AM 1473 Views
And a NYT article on the same topic - 29/09/2009 10:51:58 AM 518 Views
There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 11:53:41 AM 671 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 11:57:18 AM 763 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:09:27 PM 536 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:15:54 PM 626 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:41:56 PM 648 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:47:05 PM 656 Views
There is a word which describes the famous film director - 29/09/2009 01:05:56 PM 566 Views
There is a massive difference between Genet and Polanski - 29/09/2009 01:32:41 PM 765 Views
Yeah, there is - 29/09/2009 03:41:11 PM 598 Views
if the guy was someone else, do you think anyone would care? - 29/09/2009 02:08:15 PM 651 Views
For thousands of years 13yos have been having sex with much older males. - 29/09/2009 02:46:27 PM 598 Views
Lots of things have been going on for thousands of years. - 29/09/2009 03:35:06 PM 538 Views
Well on the flip side - 29/09/2009 03:49:35 PM 641 Views
Absolutely true enough. - 29/09/2009 04:11:28 PM 700 Views
Agreed - 29/09/2009 04:37:38 PM 639 Views
with you on this. *NM* - 30/09/2009 05:05:21 PM 384 Views
if you were talking "consensual", i'd probably at least grudgingly agree - 29/09/2009 04:07:08 PM 645 Views
Problem is that we don't know - 29/09/2009 04:46:15 PM 625 Views
he said/she said/lawyer said - 29/09/2009 05:01:41 PM 685 Views
Yep - 29/09/2009 05:28:16 PM 669 Views
I was not under the impression he did not know she was a minor - 29/09/2009 05:50:38 PM 658 Views
Well, Angelica Huston (who was there that night) didn't think she looked 'like a minor' - 29/09/2009 06:17:15 PM 685 Views
Whoa - what's with the double post? *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:17:33 PM 387 Views
Or the triple post! *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:18:13 PM 386 Views
It was a photo shoot for a film why WOULD she look like a minor?? - 29/09/2009 06:27:00 PM 690 Views
Sorry - no it wasn't for a film at all - 29/09/2009 06:39:14 PM 582 Views
I believe at some point it wasn mentioned to be connected to a film - 29/09/2009 06:42:25 PM 465 Views
I've never seen anything to support that - 29/09/2009 07:01:56 PM 492 Views
even if the paperwork didn't show it - 29/09/2009 07:06:02 PM 667 Views
Possibly - 29/09/2009 07:35:33 PM 664 Views
and i'm saying that if it was under contest - 29/09/2009 07:38:24 PM 629 Views
Do you understand how the legal system works in Common Law? - 29/09/2009 07:53:34 PM 628 Views
*shake head* wahtever - 29/09/2009 08:07:25 PM 601 Views
here is a photo of her taken that same year. - 29/09/2009 08:10:21 PM 697 Views
Seen that one as part of my research on this - 29/09/2009 08:22:33 PM 709 Views
I think it very telling that you want to take this line of when Polanski doesn't - 29/09/2009 08:36:47 PM 555 Views
Really? Who says? - 29/09/2009 08:42:38 PM 608 Views
I can't prove it wasn't aliens using mind control rays that forced him to do it - 29/09/2009 08:57:10 PM 525 Views
There is one thing I would like to say. - 29/09/2009 09:03:06 PM 524 Views
Absolutely unacceptable behavior for an administrator, Avendesora. - 30/09/2009 10:44:32 PM 616 Views
Looks like an accidental edit instead of a reply to me. *NM* - 01/10/2009 01:42:33 PM 349 Views
Agreed. I've almost done that a few times on my board. *NM* - 01/10/2009 04:08:44 PM 368 Views
actually, it was an honest mistake. I accidentally clicked on "edit" instead of "reply". - 01/10/2009 06:25:48 PM 482 Views
No worries Ave - 01/10/2009 06:41:51 PM 467 Views
Ah. Sorry. - 02/10/2009 02:10:34 AM 609 Views
14-16 - 02/10/2009 05:28:02 AM 476 Views
he could have had a trial and chose not to - 29/09/2009 05:41:11 PM 641 Views
*agree* *NM* - 29/09/2009 05:50:56 PM 238 Views
Yes, he could have - 29/09/2009 05:56:05 PM 594 Views
so he fled the country to spare her the humilation of a trial? - 29/09/2009 08:11:59 PM 627 Views
Nope - 29/09/2009 08:28:58 PM 496 Views
no it isn't but you seem to have trouble understanding he drugged and rapped a child - 30/09/2009 09:24:53 PM 699 Views
You seem to have trouble understanding that an accusation isn't proof - 30/09/2009 11:04:35 PM 655 Views
The coward fled the country before anything could be proven - 01/10/2009 06:25:27 AM 643 Views
You really don't get it do you? - 01/10/2009 04:20:36 PM 450 Views
I don't get it?????? - 01/10/2009 05:22:51 PM 520 Views
Yeah - you don't and it's a good thing you're not part of the legal system - 01/10/2009 05:32:57 PM 605 Views
I call Bullshit here. Sorry Greg. - 29/09/2009 05:28:21 PM 629 Views
You're perfectly entitled to your opinions. - 29/09/2009 08:11:17 PM 615 Views
Yes, and people have been murdering each other. - 29/09/2009 05:35:26 PM 659 Views
We have no evidence of trauma. - 29/09/2009 08:12:44 PM 658 Views
For thousands of years gays have been persecuted and treated as abhorrent perverts. - 02/10/2009 02:57:47 AM 652 Views
And a big fuck you to you too. - 05/10/2009 03:08:09 PM 515 Views
He's just a troll, as he's shown in many threads. *NM* - 05/10/2009 03:19:14 PM 335 Views
Yes, it's not like I have a valid point or anything. *NM* - 05/10/2009 07:16:13 PM 354 Views
Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. - 05/10/2009 07:46:18 PM 473 Views
Well, I guess you'll have to fulfill your role here and pass sentence... - 06/10/2009 09:19:34 PM 657 Views
You're one to talk. *NM* - 06/10/2009 09:38:30 PM 322 Views
I've been following this with some interest - 29/09/2009 03:28:36 PM 493 Views
That was my impression as well. - 29/09/2009 03:38:48 PM 461 Views
Re: That was my impression as well. - 29/09/2009 03:43:36 PM 459 Views
Re: That was my impression as well. - 29/09/2009 03:45:17 PM 476 Views
I agree with many of your points, but on some the facts seem to say something else. - 29/09/2009 04:13:09 PM 664 Views
*agree* *NM* - 29/09/2009 04:20:32 PM 322 Views
Problem of course is that those are not 'facts' - 29/09/2009 04:58:28 PM 649 Views
first you demand fact before judgement then you make a judgement on your opinion? - 29/09/2009 05:04:59 PM 605 Views
Depends on the circumstances - 29/09/2009 05:35:13 PM 597 Views
because she doesn't have any excuse to belly up either - 29/09/2009 04:17:06 PM 643 Views
Re: because she doesn't have any excuse to belly up either - 29/09/2009 05:17:57 PM 556 Views
*snort* - 29/09/2009 05:30:25 PM 574 Views
I would have to agree with you there, actually - 29/09/2009 05:47:13 PM 701 Views
Re: I would have to agree with your first point, but not the second - 29/09/2009 05:47:40 PM 684 Views
There is no way in hell he did not know she was underage. - 29/09/2009 05:55:37 PM 627 Views
Not necessarily true at all - 29/09/2009 06:32:18 PM 572 Views
Somehow, i heavily doubt the fact she was NOT 18 would never have come to light - 29/09/2009 06:40:20 PM 630 Views
You may be right, I don't know. - 29/09/2009 06:58:45 PM 694 Views
so you agree he is guilty to the allegation he pleaded guilty to of sex with a minor? - 29/09/2009 07:09:07 PM 563 Views
There was never any doubt of that - 29/09/2009 07:46:43 PM 544 Views
See below, - 29/09/2009 07:54:09 PM 623 Views
Yeah, I agree about the vigilante part and the extreme reactions... - 29/09/2009 07:58:18 PM 669 Views
I think I'm reading that article more critically than you are. - 29/09/2009 08:37:23 PM 611 Views
Or you've already made up your mind, while I'm basing mine on what I read. - 29/09/2009 08:46:56 PM 693 Views
I haven't entirely made up my mind - 29/09/2009 08:55:30 PM 584 Views
don't you think he'd say something about it NOW? - 29/09/2009 08:48:59 PM 435 Views
I don't know - 29/09/2009 08:57:27 PM 482 Views
An article that has a lot of additional detail... - 29/09/2009 07:18:29 PM 693 Views
I wish i could put a nice big star next to this. - 29/09/2009 07:29:38 PM 569 Views
Umm - why? - 29/09/2009 08:04:29 PM 618 Views
Yes, well, online newspaper archives don't tend to date back very far... - 29/09/2009 08:14:52 PM 656 Views
Oh, and if you want to read the op-ed she wrote... - 29/09/2009 08:20:06 PM 619 Views
Now I'd be interested to see the actual court records - 29/09/2009 08:24:13 PM 559 Views
Me too - 29/09/2009 08:33:36 PM 442 Views
Yeah, nothing new there really - 29/09/2009 08:26:24 PM 663 Views
There's always room for exceptions, however... - 29/09/2009 04:53:34 PM 468 Views
Camilla - he drugged and raped a 13-year old.....what else do you need to know? *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:19:19 PM 353 Views
I don't know that. Neither do you. Which is part of it. *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:20:22 PM 352 Views
Yes we do..... - 29/09/2009 06:30:46 PM 627 Views
No, we don't. - 29/09/2009 06:48:35 PM 583 Views
if these "Facts" were false - 29/09/2009 07:02:50 PM 601 Views
That's extremely naive - 29/09/2009 08:07:15 PM 498 Views
i fail to see how this is naive - 29/09/2009 08:35:59 PM 645 Views
The naive part - 29/09/2009 08:49:18 PM 697 Views
I'm not assuming anyone (not just her personal testimony) was telling the truth - 29/09/2009 08:56:52 PM 683 Views
I think that I'm just more cynical than you are - 29/09/2009 09:12:12 PM 615 Views
So because i'm not cynical about the court system and have a different train of logic - 29/09/2009 09:25:53 PM 645 Views
Not necessarily wrong - 29/09/2009 09:43:33 PM 618 Views
Uhm, his bargain wasn't 40-odd days in evaulation - 29/09/2009 09:51:22 PM 478 Views
Not what I read, but this whole thing is so messy... - 29/09/2009 10:25:59 PM 541 Views
I don't remember which article it was from - 29/09/2009 10:32:32 PM 412 Views
One thing that was clear - 29/09/2009 11:08:43 PM 666 Views
Ah I didn't catch that - 29/09/2009 11:15:06 PM 584 Views
Could you source that? - 29/09/2009 11:18:46 PM 624 Views
it's one of the articles that's been linked - 29/09/2009 11:59:02 PM 577 Views
The Mail article, yeah. *NM* - 30/09/2009 12:01:48 AM 221 Views
Uhm, his bargain wasn't 40-odd days in evaulation - 29/09/2009 09:51:24 PM 547 Views
Yes, we do.....drugs & rape of a 13-year old - 29/09/2009 07:10:02 PM 616 Views
you do know that just because you repeat something it doesn't instantly become true? *NM* - 29/09/2009 07:11:03 PM 210 Views
and how many times have y'all said it was false? *NM* - 29/09/2009 07:13:27 PM 348 Views
Hello pot, this is kettle, you're black too..... - 29/09/2009 08:16:16 PM 472 Views
Wow - I guess every allegation ever made by a prosecutor is true - 29/09/2009 08:09:43 PM 493 Views
I guess you believe every criminal who says "I didn't do it"..... - 29/09/2009 08:18:29 PM 580 Views
Nope - 29/09/2009 09:14:02 PM 467 Views
He admitted it. - 29/09/2009 10:45:43 PM 629 Views
You don't get it do you? - 29/09/2009 11:15:27 PM 607 Views
Nothing in the case which he admitted guilt to is in dispute. - 29/09/2009 11:45:05 PM 594 Views
Hardly - 30/09/2009 11:18:42 PM 605 Views
Seriously, are you related to Roman the Rapist? - 30/09/2009 01:11:44 AM 601 Views
I want to go on record as saying: I really dislike agreeing with you - 30/09/2009 05:03:24 AM 670 Views
Oh, now Amy's accusing me of being a pedophile, that's just funny - 01/10/2009 12:23:53 AM 609 Views
Re: Oh, now Amy's accusing me of being a pedophile, that's just funny - 01/10/2009 05:55:46 AM 639 Views
Honestly Amy, you know nothing whatsoever about my life or why I do things - 01/10/2009 04:03:38 PM 603 Views
I only have one thing left to say to you. - 01/10/2009 04:08:42 PM 441 Views
You are certainly entitled to your opinion - 01/10/2009 04:23:32 PM 460 Views
I think you're getting way out of line here, Amy. *NM* - 01/10/2009 04:07:59 PM 331 Views
I agree, and already said the same once. It appears that was deleted. *NM* - 01/10/2009 05:15:07 PM 359 Views
Sorry Nossy.. - 01/10/2009 06:24:26 PM 594 Views
It was meant to be advice - 01/10/2009 06:39:31 PM 439 Views
That entire conversation when I deleted the original post. - 01/10/2009 06:30:00 PM 554 Views
No no.. - 01/10/2009 06:43:19 PM 599 Views
Re: I think you're getting way out of line here, Amy. - 01/10/2009 06:21:37 PM 450 Views
Heh! - 01/10/2009 06:28:07 PM 466 Views
I second that. *NM* - 01/10/2009 08:21:13 PM 221 Views
No, I happen to dislike vigilante idiots - 30/09/2009 11:21:53 PM 435 Views
Re: No, we don't. - 29/09/2009 10:09:32 PM 553 Views
Re: No, we don't. - 29/09/2009 11:21:08 PM 712 Views
I think for the 1st time ever i'm actually stunned by the comments on this board. - 29/09/2009 07:14:18 PM 539 Views
Oh but he didn't KNOW - 29/09/2009 07:17:55 PM 516 Views
Ignorance doesn't have to be proven in court - 29/09/2009 08:11:31 PM 445 Views
no you have back asswards - 29/09/2009 08:14:36 PM 495 Views
You're talking ethics and then switch to law - 29/09/2009 09:17:02 PM 508 Views
yes the law can be stupid but not so stupid that you can use the - 29/09/2009 10:32:49 PM 499 Views
Oh it's EASILY that stupid and even stupider - 29/09/2009 10:58:33 PM 629 Views
If the girl has to call and ask her mommy if she can stay late you should ask her age - 30/09/2009 04:04:33 PM 474 Views
He knew her age. The photo-shoot was specifically looking at young girls. - 30/09/2009 04:42:01 PM 581 Views
Of course he knew he age - 30/09/2009 05:01:19 PM 591 Views
Obviously - because you say so right? - 30/09/2009 11:25:18 PM 443 Views
You really have to be a moron to believ he didn't - 01/10/2009 06:27:04 AM 465 Views
That stupidity isn't even worthy of a reply. *NM* - 01/10/2009 04:21:35 PM 339 Views
Wow, way to make up 'facts' - 30/09/2009 11:23:13 PM 660 Views
Do you actually READ any of the articles??? - 01/10/2009 12:06:54 AM 445 Views
I did and I just went and re-read that one to be sure - 01/10/2009 12:44:46 AM 641 Views
~nods~ *NM* - 29/09/2009 07:32:29 PM 325 Views
It's not the first time, but I agree. - 29/09/2009 07:44:06 PM 565 Views
Way to go for a straw man - 29/09/2009 07:45:44 PM 637 Views
I agree that he is most definitely not a pedophile - 29/09/2009 07:50:23 PM 691 Views
As to your question, I have no idea - 29/09/2009 07:59:43 PM 686 Views
That is not what staute of limitations is - 29/09/2009 07:52:32 PM 449 Views
Yes - 29/09/2009 08:00:49 PM 468 Views
Re: Yes - 29/09/2009 08:13:24 PM 613 Views
I prefer the Tin Man myself - 29/09/2009 07:57:07 PM 664 Views
Re: Way to go for a straw man - 30/09/2009 05:05:47 PM 586 Views
No one has excused him. But there is no point any longer in going after him. - 29/09/2009 08:15:42 PM 714 Views
i can certainly agree that it's a waste of time and resources - 29/09/2009 08:20:19 PM 450 Views
there are advantages and disadvantages to being famous - 29/09/2009 08:49:21 PM 449 Views
Agreed - I can't believe people are defending this d-bag.....amazing! *NM* - 29/09/2009 08:25:05 PM 338 Views
It is rather mind-boggling *NM* - 29/09/2009 08:29:11 PM 324 Views
well - 29/09/2009 08:34:56 PM 595 Views
I'm all for the gray and considerin both sides. - 29/09/2009 08:45:50 PM 511 Views
Ben Franklin once said - 29/09/2009 09:30:16 PM 652 Views
*snort* - 29/09/2009 10:02:13 PM 664 Views
I'd say you need to spend more time around lawyers - 29/09/2009 10:40:05 PM 547 Views
isn't he still churning out movies like crazy? - 29/09/2009 10:42:48 PM 474 Views
I've no idea - 29/09/2009 11:22:20 PM 600 Views
Exactly Nossy - 29/09/2009 09:20:14 PM 700 Views
Well it's certainly apparent you're sticking to it *NM* - 29/09/2009 09:27:48 PM 326 Views
That's always been how I am though. - 29/09/2009 09:32:30 PM 629 Views
I've decided I really don't care about this either way at all. - 29/09/2009 08:38:14 PM 564 Views
It has an effect on good cinema *NM* - 29/09/2009 08:52:58 PM 261 Views
there's been people saying he shouldn't get his Oscar for it - 29/09/2009 08:59:04 PM 458 Views
Doubtful. - 30/09/2009 02:04:52 AM 574 Views
How recent is recently? - 30/09/2009 02:22:39 AM 539 Views
There's a lot of misinformation flying around here. - 29/09/2009 11:22:29 PM 652 Views
That would be more convincing if you didn't have incorrect information yourself. - 29/09/2009 11:58:40 PM 462 Views
I just worked that out. - 30/09/2009 12:07:43 AM 650 Views
Re: I just worked that out. - 30/09/2009 12:28:13 AM 615 Views
Re: I just worked that out. - 30/09/2009 12:42:17 AM 600 Views
Small correction - 01/10/2009 12:15:45 AM 574 Views
Think about that one a bit - 30/09/2009 11:34:56 PM 637 Views
Add to that also - 30/09/2009 11:30:14 PM 663 Views
Excellent summary on Roman the Rapist.....good job! *NM* - 30/09/2009 01:13:35 AM 342 Views
Most impressive - 30/09/2009 01:21:42 AM 440 Views
Excellent - and done better than most of the rest of us. *NM* - 30/09/2009 03:34:11 PM 354 Views
In my opinion... - 30/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 579 Views
Can I just say... - 30/09/2009 05:54:47 PM 610 Views
The state is also a vicitm - 30/09/2009 06:17:22 PM 640 Views
Hardly, in this case - 30/09/2009 11:57:48 PM 472 Views
you know your arguments would have more merit if you had a clue what your were talking about - 01/10/2009 06:24:35 AM 455 Views
You should know what you are talking about before you post - 01/10/2009 04:18:50 PM 666 Views
OK go learn something and then come back - 01/10/2009 05:15:45 PM 634 Views
I note that you ignore the fact that I just proved you wrong... - 01/10/2009 05:27:01 PM 560 Views
no you just mistated some crap that I ignored *sigh* - 01/10/2009 06:30:03 PM 450 Views
The girl and mother requested to cut a deal, so the 13-year old wouldn't have to testify..... - 01/10/2009 04:28:49 PM 442 Views
Actually, the prosecution cut the deal - 01/10/2009 05:29:29 PM 575 Views
And the most important reason for justice... - 30/09/2009 07:43:33 PM 682 Views
Just to be clear - 30/09/2009 11:47:42 PM 667 Views
This may help some of the argument, but sadly not much - 01/10/2009 02:06:22 AM 621 Views
It's not just that he admitted to it in the plea bargain. - 01/10/2009 03:10:37 AM 666 Views
*agree* *NM* - 01/10/2009 02:36:05 PM 226 Views
Yes, looking at him very strangely.....he's jumping the shark big-time on this one! - 01/10/2009 04:31:43 PM 476 Views
Apparently you don't get the idea of honest debate - 01/10/2009 06:40:45 PM 622 Views
Good news - French government drops support for director Roman Polanski - 01/10/2009 04:46:42 PM 610 Views
Hypocrites. *NM* - 01/10/2009 05:41:34 PM 409 Views
Yeah pretty much - 01/10/2009 06:28:01 PM 503 Views
Well, unless I find some new facts to post - I think I'm done with this thread - 01/10/2009 06:59:36 PM 727 Views
It was quite a valiant effort - 01/10/2009 08:30:23 PM 474 Views
I agree the attacks on you personally were not warranted and were out of line. - 03/10/2009 03:02:03 AM 657 Views
Please. - 05/10/2009 03:35:50 PM 635 Views
My "bottom line" on this subject: - 01/10/2009 07:21:19 PM 636 Views

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