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I agree with many of your points, but on some the facts seem to say something else. Legolas Send a noteboard - 29/09/2009 04:13:09 PM

As to all the 'Hang the rapist pedophile crap' come on people. I've never heard of a serious pedophile who wasn't a repeat offender and if Polanski is, then it's been hidden amazingly well. Did he know the girl's age at the time? No one knows, although Anjelica Huston (who was present and not involved in the case) said "She certainly didn't strike me as an innocent 13 year old". She goes on to say that the girl could have been anywhere up to 25 and she is one of the few who saw her that night.


Here particularly - I too have serious doubts about calling him a "pedophile", but that he had a pretty good idea about the girl's age seems clear. Wikipedia has the following:

"According to Geimer, Polanski asked Geimer's mother if he could photograph the girl for the French edition of Vogue, which Polanski had been invited to guest-edit. Her mother allowed a private photo shoot. According to Geimer in a 2003 interview, "Everything was going fine; then he asked me to change, well, in front of him." She added, "It didn't feel right, and I didn't want to go back to the second shoot."

Geimer later agreed to a second session, which took place on March 10, 1977 at the Mulholland area home of actor Jack Nicholson in Los Angeles. "We did photos with me drinking champagne," Geimer says. "Toward the end it got a little scary, and I realized he had other intentions and I knew I was not where I should be. I just didn't quite know how to get myself out of there." She recalled in a 2003 interview that she began to feel uncomfortable after he asked her to lie down on a bed, and how she attempted to resist. "I said, 'No, no. I don't want to go in there. No, I don't want to do this. No!', and then I didn't know what else to do," she stated, adding: "We were alone and I didn’t know what else would happen if I made a scene. So I was just scared, and after giving some resistance, I figured well, I guess I’ll get to come home after this".

Geimer testified that Polanski gave her a combination of champagne and quaaludes, a sedative drug, and "despite her protests, he performed oral sex, intercourse and sodomy on her", each time after being told 'no' and being asked to stop." "


Now, there are some parts in there that are he said/she said, and that Geimer might be exaggerating on - though judging on her recent comments, she doesn't seem the type to make things up or exaggerate very much. The article doesn't say which if any parts of that story Polanski disputes, though surely there must be some if he was offered that plea bargain... the accusations as described there are very serious, I can't imagine he would've gotten off lightly for those. But the part about him having talked to her mother and the two sessions deal seem like they would be very easy to check, and hence rather unlikely to be untrue. Of course talking to her mother doesn't automatically mean he knows her age, but at least he must have known she was a minor, and not just technically.
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/History/Politics/I'm not sure: A commentary on the Roman Polanski arrest - 29/09/2009 10:15:12 AM 1376 Views
And a NYT article on the same topic - 29/09/2009 10:51:58 AM 432 Views
There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 11:53:41 AM 568 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 11:57:18 AM 667 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:09:27 PM 424 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:15:54 PM 530 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:41:56 PM 543 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:47:05 PM 550 Views
There is a word which describes the famous film director - 29/09/2009 01:05:56 PM 466 Views
There is a massive difference between Genet and Polanski - 29/09/2009 01:32:41 PM 674 Views
Yeah, there is - 29/09/2009 03:41:11 PM 508 Views
if the guy was someone else, do you think anyone would care? - 29/09/2009 02:08:15 PM 549 Views
For thousands of years 13yos have been having sex with much older males. - 29/09/2009 02:46:27 PM 490 Views
Lots of things have been going on for thousands of years. - 29/09/2009 03:35:06 PM 436 Views
Well on the flip side - 29/09/2009 03:49:35 PM 537 Views
Absolutely true enough. - 29/09/2009 04:11:28 PM 595 Views
Agreed - 29/09/2009 04:37:38 PM 542 Views
with you on this. *NM* - 30/09/2009 05:05:21 PM 326 Views
if you were talking "consensual", i'd probably at least grudgingly agree - 29/09/2009 04:07:08 PM 539 Views
Problem is that we don't know - 29/09/2009 04:46:15 PM 531 Views
he said/she said/lawyer said - 29/09/2009 05:01:41 PM 587 Views
Yep - 29/09/2009 05:28:16 PM 564 Views
I was not under the impression he did not know she was a minor - 29/09/2009 05:50:38 PM 557 Views
Well, Angelica Huston (who was there that night) didn't think she looked 'like a minor' - 29/09/2009 06:17:15 PM 586 Views
Whoa - what's with the double post? *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:17:33 PM 330 Views
Or the triple post! *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:18:13 PM 311 Views
It was a photo shoot for a film why WOULD she look like a minor?? - 29/09/2009 06:27:00 PM 586 Views
Sorry - no it wasn't for a film at all - 29/09/2009 06:39:14 PM 484 Views
I believe at some point it wasn mentioned to be connected to a film - 29/09/2009 06:42:25 PM 372 Views
I've never seen anything to support that - 29/09/2009 07:01:56 PM 393 Views
even if the paperwork didn't show it - 29/09/2009 07:06:02 PM 571 Views
Possibly - 29/09/2009 07:35:33 PM 572 Views
and i'm saying that if it was under contest - 29/09/2009 07:38:24 PM 530 Views
Do you understand how the legal system works in Common Law? - 29/09/2009 07:53:34 PM 541 Views
*shake head* wahtever - 29/09/2009 08:07:25 PM 494 Views
here is a photo of her taken that same year. - 29/09/2009 08:10:21 PM 598 Views
Seen that one as part of my research on this - 29/09/2009 08:22:33 PM 607 Views
I think it very telling that you want to take this line of when Polanski doesn't - 29/09/2009 08:36:47 PM 466 Views
Really? Who says? - 29/09/2009 08:42:38 PM 516 Views
I can't prove it wasn't aliens using mind control rays that forced him to do it - 29/09/2009 08:57:10 PM 426 Views
There is one thing I would like to say. - 29/09/2009 09:03:06 PM 422 Views
Absolutely unacceptable behavior for an administrator, Avendesora. - 30/09/2009 10:44:32 PM 512 Views
Looks like an accidental edit instead of a reply to me. *NM* - 01/10/2009 01:42:33 PM 294 Views
Agreed. I've almost done that a few times on my board. *NM* - 01/10/2009 04:08:44 PM 314 Views
actually, it was an honest mistake. I accidentally clicked on "edit" instead of "reply". - 01/10/2009 06:25:48 PM 384 Views
No worries Ave - 01/10/2009 06:41:51 PM 369 Views
Ah. Sorry. - 02/10/2009 02:10:34 AM 512 Views
14-16 - 02/10/2009 05:28:02 AM 373 Views
he could have had a trial and chose not to - 29/09/2009 05:41:11 PM 547 Views
*agree* *NM* - 29/09/2009 05:50:56 PM 187 Views
Yes, he could have - 29/09/2009 05:56:05 PM 501 Views
so he fled the country to spare her the humilation of a trial? - 29/09/2009 08:11:59 PM 529 Views
Nope - 29/09/2009 08:28:58 PM 393 Views
no it isn't but you seem to have trouble understanding he drugged and rapped a child - 30/09/2009 09:24:53 PM 574 Views
You seem to have trouble understanding that an accusation isn't proof - 30/09/2009 11:04:35 PM 551 Views
The coward fled the country before anything could be proven - 01/10/2009 06:25:27 AM 541 Views
You really don't get it do you? - 01/10/2009 04:20:36 PM 345 Views
I don't get it?????? - 01/10/2009 05:22:51 PM 416 Views
Yeah - you don't and it's a good thing you're not part of the legal system - 01/10/2009 05:32:57 PM 505 Views
I call Bullshit here. Sorry Greg. - 29/09/2009 05:28:21 PM 545 Views
You're perfectly entitled to your opinions. - 29/09/2009 08:11:17 PM 489 Views
Yes, and people have been murdering each other. - 29/09/2009 05:35:26 PM 562 Views
We have no evidence of trauma. - 29/09/2009 08:12:44 PM 561 Views
For thousands of years gays have been persecuted and treated as abhorrent perverts. - 02/10/2009 02:57:47 AM 553 Views
And a big fuck you to you too. - 05/10/2009 03:08:09 PM 374 Views
He's just a troll, as he's shown in many threads. *NM* - 05/10/2009 03:19:14 PM 280 Views
Yes, it's not like I have a valid point or anything. *NM* - 05/10/2009 07:16:13 PM 295 Views
Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. - 05/10/2009 07:46:18 PM 381 Views
Well, I guess you'll have to fulfill your role here and pass sentence... - 06/10/2009 09:19:34 PM 544 Views
You're one to talk. *NM* - 06/10/2009 09:38:30 PM 271 Views
I've been following this with some interest - 29/09/2009 03:28:36 PM 393 Views
That was my impression as well. - 29/09/2009 03:38:48 PM 372 Views
Re: That was my impression as well. - 29/09/2009 03:43:36 PM 374 Views
Re: That was my impression as well. - 29/09/2009 03:45:17 PM 369 Views
I agree with many of your points, but on some the facts seem to say something else. - 29/09/2009 04:13:09 PM 570 Views
*agree* *NM* - 29/09/2009 04:20:32 PM 270 Views
Problem of course is that those are not 'facts' - 29/09/2009 04:58:28 PM 555 Views
first you demand fact before judgement then you make a judgement on your opinion? - 29/09/2009 05:04:59 PM 505 Views
Depends on the circumstances - 29/09/2009 05:35:13 PM 507 Views
because she doesn't have any excuse to belly up either - 29/09/2009 04:17:06 PM 544 Views
Re: because she doesn't have any excuse to belly up either - 29/09/2009 05:17:57 PM 457 Views
*snort* - 29/09/2009 05:30:25 PM 479 Views
I would have to agree with you there, actually - 29/09/2009 05:47:13 PM 610 Views
Re: I would have to agree with your first point, but not the second - 29/09/2009 05:47:40 PM 583 Views
There is no way in hell he did not know she was underage. - 29/09/2009 05:55:37 PM 529 Views
Not necessarily true at all - 29/09/2009 06:32:18 PM 476 Views
Somehow, i heavily doubt the fact she was NOT 18 would never have come to light - 29/09/2009 06:40:20 PM 537 Views
You may be right, I don't know. - 29/09/2009 06:58:45 PM 555 Views
so you agree he is guilty to the allegation he pleaded guilty to of sex with a minor? - 29/09/2009 07:09:07 PM 463 Views
There was never any doubt of that - 29/09/2009 07:46:43 PM 440 Views
See below, - 29/09/2009 07:54:09 PM 478 Views
Yeah, I agree about the vigilante part and the extreme reactions... - 29/09/2009 07:58:18 PM 571 Views
I think I'm reading that article more critically than you are. - 29/09/2009 08:37:23 PM 515 Views
Or you've already made up your mind, while I'm basing mine on what I read. - 29/09/2009 08:46:56 PM 595 Views
I haven't entirely made up my mind - 29/09/2009 08:55:30 PM 476 Views
don't you think he'd say something about it NOW? - 29/09/2009 08:48:59 PM 346 Views
I don't know - 29/09/2009 08:57:27 PM 376 Views
An article that has a lot of additional detail... - 29/09/2009 07:18:29 PM 584 Views
I wish i could put a nice big star next to this. - 29/09/2009 07:29:38 PM 471 Views
Umm - why? - 29/09/2009 08:04:29 PM 522 Views
Yes, well, online newspaper archives don't tend to date back very far... - 29/09/2009 08:14:52 PM 556 Views
Oh, and if you want to read the op-ed she wrote... - 29/09/2009 08:20:06 PM 501 Views
Now I'd be interested to see the actual court records - 29/09/2009 08:24:13 PM 462 Views
Me too - 29/09/2009 08:33:36 PM 343 Views
Yeah, nothing new there really - 29/09/2009 08:26:24 PM 556 Views
There's always room for exceptions, however... - 29/09/2009 04:53:34 PM 369 Views
Camilla - he drugged and raped a 13-year old.....what else do you need to know? *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:19:19 PM 304 Views
I don't know that. Neither do you. Which is part of it. *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:20:22 PM 300 Views
Yes we do..... - 29/09/2009 06:30:46 PM 524 Views
No, we don't. - 29/09/2009 06:48:35 PM 477 Views
if these "Facts" were false - 29/09/2009 07:02:50 PM 498 Views
That's extremely naive - 29/09/2009 08:07:15 PM 394 Views
i fail to see how this is naive - 29/09/2009 08:35:59 PM 552 Views
The naive part - 29/09/2009 08:49:18 PM 552 Views
I'm not assuming anyone (not just her personal testimony) was telling the truth - 29/09/2009 08:56:52 PM 577 Views
I think that I'm just more cynical than you are - 29/09/2009 09:12:12 PM 521 Views
So because i'm not cynical about the court system and have a different train of logic - 29/09/2009 09:25:53 PM 541 Views
Not necessarily wrong - 29/09/2009 09:43:33 PM 513 Views
Uhm, his bargain wasn't 40-odd days in evaulation - 29/09/2009 09:51:22 PM 351 Views
Not what I read, but this whole thing is so messy... - 29/09/2009 10:25:59 PM 442 Views
I don't remember which article it was from - 29/09/2009 10:32:32 PM 319 Views
One thing that was clear - 29/09/2009 11:08:43 PM 557 Views
Ah I didn't catch that - 29/09/2009 11:15:06 PM 488 Views
Could you source that? - 29/09/2009 11:18:46 PM 534 Views
it's one of the articles that's been linked - 29/09/2009 11:59:02 PM 476 Views
The Mail article, yeah. *NM* - 30/09/2009 12:01:48 AM 163 Views
Uhm, his bargain wasn't 40-odd days in evaulation - 29/09/2009 09:51:24 PM 463 Views
Yes, we do.....drugs & rape of a 13-year old - 29/09/2009 07:10:02 PM 491 Views
you do know that just because you repeat something it doesn't instantly become true? *NM* - 29/09/2009 07:11:03 PM 153 Views
and how many times have y'all said it was false? *NM* - 29/09/2009 07:13:27 PM 297 Views
Hello pot, this is kettle, you're black too..... - 29/09/2009 08:16:16 PM 371 Views
Wow - I guess every allegation ever made by a prosecutor is true - 29/09/2009 08:09:43 PM 396 Views
I guess you believe every criminal who says "I didn't do it"..... - 29/09/2009 08:18:29 PM 474 Views
Nope - 29/09/2009 09:14:02 PM 379 Views
He admitted it. - 29/09/2009 10:45:43 PM 533 Views
You don't get it do you? - 29/09/2009 11:15:27 PM 495 Views
Nothing in the case which he admitted guilt to is in dispute. - 29/09/2009 11:45:05 PM 494 Views
Hardly - 30/09/2009 11:18:42 PM 460 Views
Seriously, are you related to Roman the Rapist? - 30/09/2009 01:11:44 AM 498 Views
I want to go on record as saying: I really dislike agreeing with you - 30/09/2009 05:03:24 AM 572 Views
Oh, now Amy's accusing me of being a pedophile, that's just funny - 01/10/2009 12:23:53 AM 492 Views
Re: Oh, now Amy's accusing me of being a pedophile, that's just funny - 01/10/2009 05:55:46 AM 534 Views
Honestly Amy, you know nothing whatsoever about my life or why I do things - 01/10/2009 04:03:38 PM 506 Views
I only have one thing left to say to you. - 01/10/2009 04:08:42 PM 334 Views
You are certainly entitled to your opinion - 01/10/2009 04:23:32 PM 364 Views
I think you're getting way out of line here, Amy. *NM* - 01/10/2009 04:07:59 PM 280 Views
I agree, and already said the same once. It appears that was deleted. *NM* - 01/10/2009 05:15:07 PM 313 Views
Sorry Nossy.. - 01/10/2009 06:24:26 PM 483 Views
It was meant to be advice - 01/10/2009 06:39:31 PM 340 Views
That entire conversation when I deleted the original post. - 01/10/2009 06:30:00 PM 455 Views
No no.. - 01/10/2009 06:43:19 PM 493 Views
Re: I think you're getting way out of line here, Amy. - 01/10/2009 06:21:37 PM 354 Views
Heh! - 01/10/2009 06:28:07 PM 360 Views
I second that. *NM* - 01/10/2009 08:21:13 PM 165 Views
No, I happen to dislike vigilante idiots - 30/09/2009 11:21:53 PM 347 Views
Re: No, we don't. - 29/09/2009 10:09:32 PM 453 Views
Re: No, we don't. - 29/09/2009 11:21:08 PM 595 Views
I think for the 1st time ever i'm actually stunned by the comments on this board. - 29/09/2009 07:14:18 PM 437 Views
Oh but he didn't KNOW - 29/09/2009 07:17:55 PM 407 Views
Ignorance doesn't have to be proven in court - 29/09/2009 08:11:31 PM 351 Views
no you have back asswards - 29/09/2009 08:14:36 PM 397 Views
You're talking ethics and then switch to law - 29/09/2009 09:17:02 PM 372 Views
yes the law can be stupid but not so stupid that you can use the - 29/09/2009 10:32:49 PM 397 Views
Oh it's EASILY that stupid and even stupider - 29/09/2009 10:58:33 PM 533 Views
If the girl has to call and ask her mommy if she can stay late you should ask her age - 30/09/2009 04:04:33 PM 373 Views
He knew her age. The photo-shoot was specifically looking at young girls. - 30/09/2009 04:42:01 PM 489 Views
Of course he knew he age - 30/09/2009 05:01:19 PM 487 Views
Obviously - because you say so right? - 30/09/2009 11:25:18 PM 338 Views
You really have to be a moron to believ he didn't - 01/10/2009 06:27:04 AM 363 Views
That stupidity isn't even worthy of a reply. *NM* - 01/10/2009 04:21:35 PM 282 Views
Wow, way to make up 'facts' - 30/09/2009 11:23:13 PM 567 Views
Do you actually READ any of the articles??? - 01/10/2009 12:06:54 AM 350 Views
I did and I just went and re-read that one to be sure - 01/10/2009 12:44:46 AM 537 Views
~nods~ *NM* - 29/09/2009 07:32:29 PM 277 Views
It's not the first time, but I agree. - 29/09/2009 07:44:06 PM 462 Views
Way to go for a straw man - 29/09/2009 07:45:44 PM 536 Views
I agree that he is most definitely not a pedophile - 29/09/2009 07:50:23 PM 590 Views
As to your question, I have no idea - 29/09/2009 07:59:43 PM 585 Views
That is not what staute of limitations is - 29/09/2009 07:52:32 PM 340 Views
Yes - 29/09/2009 08:00:49 PM 380 Views
Re: Yes - 29/09/2009 08:13:24 PM 521 Views
I prefer the Tin Man myself - 29/09/2009 07:57:07 PM 565 Views
Re: Way to go for a straw man - 30/09/2009 05:05:47 PM 490 Views
No one has excused him. But there is no point any longer in going after him. - 29/09/2009 08:15:42 PM 626 Views
i can certainly agree that it's a waste of time and resources - 29/09/2009 08:20:19 PM 353 Views
there are advantages and disadvantages to being famous - 29/09/2009 08:49:21 PM 359 Views
Agreed - I can't believe people are defending this d-bag.....amazing! *NM* - 29/09/2009 08:25:05 PM 285 Views
It is rather mind-boggling *NM* - 29/09/2009 08:29:11 PM 279 Views
well - 29/09/2009 08:34:56 PM 502 Views
I'm all for the gray and considerin both sides. - 29/09/2009 08:45:50 PM 409 Views
Ben Franklin once said - 29/09/2009 09:30:16 PM 556 Views
*snort* - 29/09/2009 10:02:13 PM 523 Views
I'd say you need to spend more time around lawyers - 29/09/2009 10:40:05 PM 460 Views
isn't he still churning out movies like crazy? - 29/09/2009 10:42:48 PM 377 Views
I've no idea - 29/09/2009 11:22:20 PM 499 Views
Exactly Nossy - 29/09/2009 09:20:14 PM 597 Views
Well it's certainly apparent you're sticking to it *NM* - 29/09/2009 09:27:48 PM 275 Views
That's always been how I am though. - 29/09/2009 09:32:30 PM 523 Views
I've decided I really don't care about this either way at all. - 29/09/2009 08:38:14 PM 452 Views
It has an effect on good cinema *NM* - 29/09/2009 08:52:58 PM 201 Views
there's been people saying he shouldn't get his Oscar for it - 29/09/2009 08:59:04 PM 355 Views
Doubtful. - 30/09/2009 02:04:52 AM 476 Views
How recent is recently? - 30/09/2009 02:22:39 AM 417 Views
There's a lot of misinformation flying around here. - 29/09/2009 11:22:29 PM 549 Views
That would be more convincing if you didn't have incorrect information yourself. - 29/09/2009 11:58:40 PM 361 Views
I just worked that out. - 30/09/2009 12:07:43 AM 537 Views
Re: I just worked that out. - 30/09/2009 12:28:13 AM 504 Views
Re: I just worked that out. - 30/09/2009 12:42:17 AM 471 Views
Small correction - 01/10/2009 12:15:45 AM 475 Views
Think about that one a bit - 30/09/2009 11:34:56 PM 538 Views
Add to that also - 30/09/2009 11:30:14 PM 554 Views
Excellent summary on Roman the Rapist.....good job! *NM* - 30/09/2009 01:13:35 AM 294 Views
Most impressive - 30/09/2009 01:21:42 AM 338 Views
Excellent - and done better than most of the rest of us. *NM* - 30/09/2009 03:34:11 PM 306 Views
In my opinion... - 30/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 479 Views
Can I just say... - 30/09/2009 05:54:47 PM 502 Views
The state is also a vicitm - 30/09/2009 06:17:22 PM 491 Views
Hardly, in this case - 30/09/2009 11:57:48 PM 380 Views
you know your arguments would have more merit if you had a clue what your were talking about - 01/10/2009 06:24:35 AM 350 Views
You should know what you are talking about before you post - 01/10/2009 04:18:50 PM 559 Views
OK go learn something and then come back - 01/10/2009 05:15:45 PM 530 Views
I note that you ignore the fact that I just proved you wrong... - 01/10/2009 05:27:01 PM 466 Views
no you just mistated some crap that I ignored *sigh* - 01/10/2009 06:30:03 PM 353 Views
The girl and mother requested to cut a deal, so the 13-year old wouldn't have to testify..... - 01/10/2009 04:28:49 PM 342 Views
Actually, the prosecution cut the deal - 01/10/2009 05:29:29 PM 481 Views
And the most important reason for justice... - 30/09/2009 07:43:33 PM 588 Views
Just to be clear - 30/09/2009 11:47:42 PM 561 Views
This may help some of the argument, but sadly not much - 01/10/2009 02:06:22 AM 520 Views
It's not just that he admitted to it in the plea bargain. - 01/10/2009 03:10:37 AM 556 Views
*agree* *NM* - 01/10/2009 02:36:05 PM 168 Views
Yes, looking at him very strangely.....he's jumping the shark big-time on this one! - 01/10/2009 04:31:43 PM 374 Views
Apparently you don't get the idea of honest debate - 01/10/2009 06:40:45 PM 515 Views
Good news - French government drops support for director Roman Polanski - 01/10/2009 04:46:42 PM 511 Views
Hypocrites. *NM* - 01/10/2009 05:41:34 PM 317 Views
Yeah pretty much - 01/10/2009 06:28:01 PM 393 Views
Well, unless I find some new facts to post - I think I'm done with this thread - 01/10/2009 06:59:36 PM 631 Views
It was quite a valiant effort - 01/10/2009 08:30:23 PM 390 Views
I agree the attacks on you personally were not warranted and were out of line. - 03/10/2009 03:02:03 AM 551 Views
Please. - 05/10/2009 03:35:50 PM 540 Views
My "bottom line" on this subject: - 01/10/2009 07:21:19 PM 537 Views

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