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Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this Camilla Send a noteboard - 29/09/2009 12:47:05 PM
I think part of the controversy is that it is not entirely clear whether he did what he confessed to.

Well I mean he plead guilty to unlawful sex with a 13 year old...that's pretty clear to me. I suppose the controversy is that he claims he had a plea bargain in place and that his time in the mental institution was sufficient to meet the terms of his bargain. The thing is a plea bargain is not final until one has actually been sentenced, and he was never sentenced for his crimes.

Yes, but isn't that the point. People plead guilty to things they do not do because they think their situation looks bad and they are worried they will be sentenced to long periods?

Yeah, people do just that, but they do it knowing the risk of pleading guilty to a crime. A heavy majority of the time the judge will go along with a plea bargain, but sometimes it doesn't happen. It's just a risk you take in that situation. Also, I don't see him claiming anywhere that he's actually innocent. I don't know enough about the case to know for sure, but I haven't seen anything where he's claiming innocence.


As I said, I know very little about this case, but from what I gather from the Guardian and NYT he does not say much of anything about it at all.

Also, rules and laws are not the same things.

No, but they do go hand in hand. They aren't always one and the same, but a country's rules tend to be their laws.

Not at all. Rules include morality and manners that aren't always encoded in laws. Not playing by the rules (rules, not laws) will make people consider you a suspect person and make them more liable to think you will break laws.

I agree they don't always mean the same thing, but in the context of Polanski and his situation when they say rules in the article it seems to me that it's a nice way of saying laws. If I wanted to say yes we admit he broke laws, but be nice about it I would choose the word "rules" instead of laws.

I suspect the "vengeful" comes from not having arrested him before, but grabbing him just as he is about to be honoured?

It took another European country to agree to actually nab him and subsequently extradite him. The way the arrest sounded to me (and I could easily be wrong about this), was that he was nabbed at the airport. Which to me sounds like he was flagged coming into the country and detained because there was an active warrant for his arrest out there. It is however very possible, and I'll even say likely, that the U.S. knew that he was going to attend the ceremony and requested that the authorities there arrest him when he arrived.

Did you read the piece at all? He has a house in Switzerland. He could have been arrested at pretty much any time.

And like I said, it took someone else to agree to actually arrest him. If the government in Switzerland wouldn't agree to arrest him up until recently then the American government couldn't just have someone go to his house there and pick him up. I don't know how often he's been in Switzerland since the international warrant was issued a couple years ago, but I suspect that this is the first time that the government has known well in advance that he was going to be somewhere and actually gotten anyone to agree to arrest him.


Mayhap.

Again, there is a difference between a cult of celebrity and a cult of artistry.

I think they go hand in hand. People aren't going to think twice about some guy that paints bowls of fruit in his basement and sells them at a market being arrested for some crime, but they're sure as hell going to care if some well known artist is arrested.

*cough*Reality television*cough*

*cough*sports*cough*

Cult of Celebrity and Cult of Artistry aren't that different though. Cult of Artistry is simply the name applied to a smaller segment of celebrities...either way you still have to be famous for it to apply. That said, if the treatment of people such as athletes and rich business people in France is significantly different than that of artists, then yes, Cult of Artistry would be a better way of putting it.


Well, the point of the Guardian piece (or, I should say, the point of the introductory section of the Guardian piece) was very much regarding artistry (Genet wasn't so much well known as highly respected by the experts).
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/History/Politics/I'm not sure: A commentary on the Roman Polanski arrest Camilla - 29/09/2009 10:15:12 AM 1461 Views
And a NYT article on the same topic Camilla - 29/09/2009 10:51:58 AM 509 Views
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There is a word which describes the famous film director Druid - 29/09/2009 01:05:56 PM 554 Views
There is a massive difference between Genet and Polanski Mark - 29/09/2009 01:32:41 PM 755 Views
Yeah, there is SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 03:41:11 PM 587 Views
if the guy was someone else, do you think anyone would care? LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 02:08:15 PM 637 Views
For thousands of years 13yos have been having sex with much older males. The Shrike - 29/09/2009 02:46:27 PM 584 Views
Lots of things have been going on for thousands of years. Mats Gambling Buddy - 29/09/2009 03:35:06 PM 525 Views
Well on the flip side SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 03:49:35 PM 628 Views
Absolutely true enough. Mats Gambling Buddy - 29/09/2009 04:11:28 PM 687 Views
Agreed SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 04:37:38 PM 629 Views
with you on this. *NM* Avendesora - 30/09/2009 05:05:21 PM 379 Views
if you were talking "consensual", i'd probably at least grudgingly agree LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 04:07:08 PM 625 Views
Problem is that we don't know SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 04:46:15 PM 612 Views
he said/she said/lawyer said LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 05:01:41 PM 673 Views
Yep SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 05:28:16 PM 657 Views
I was not under the impression he did not know she was a minor LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 05:50:38 PM 644 Views
Well, Angelica Huston (who was there that night) didn't think she looked 'like a minor' SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 06:17:15 PM 674 Views
Whoa - what's with the double post? *NM* SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 06:17:33 PM 382 Views
Or the triple post! *NM* SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 06:18:13 PM 378 Views
It was a photo shoot for a film why WOULD she look like a minor?? LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 06:27:00 PM 674 Views
Sorry - no it wasn't for a film at all SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 06:39:14 PM 567 Views
I believe at some point it wasn mentioned to be connected to a film LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 06:42:25 PM 452 Views
I've never seen anything to support that SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 07:01:56 PM 481 Views
even if the paperwork didn't show it LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 07:06:02 PM 656 Views
Possibly SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 07:35:33 PM 654 Views
and i'm saying that if it was under contest LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 07:38:24 PM 613 Views
Do you understand how the legal system works in Common Law? SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 07:53:34 PM 616 Views
*shake head* wahtever LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 08:07:25 PM 589 Views
here is a photo of her taken that same year. random thoughts - 29/09/2009 08:10:21 PM 687 Views
Seen that one as part of my research on this SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:22:33 PM 700 Views
I think it very telling that you want to take this line of when Polanski doesn't random thoughts - 29/09/2009 08:36:47 PM 543 Views
Really? Who says? SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:42:38 PM 599 Views
I can't prove it wasn't aliens using mind control rays that forced him to do it random thoughts - 29/09/2009 08:57:10 PM 512 Views
There is one thing I would like to say. SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 09:03:06 PM 516 Views
Absolutely unacceptable behavior for an administrator, Avendesora. Ghavrel - 30/09/2009 10:44:32 PM 599 Views
Looks like an accidental edit instead of a reply to me. *NM* Legolas - 01/10/2009 01:42:33 PM 344 Views
Agreed. I've almost done that a few times on my board. *NM* Rebekah - 01/10/2009 04:08:44 PM 362 Views
actually, it was an honest mistake. I accidentally clicked on "edit" instead of "reply". Avendesora - 01/10/2009 06:25:48 PM 471 Views
No worries Ave SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 06:41:51 PM 455 Views
Ah. Sorry. Ghavrel - 02/10/2009 02:10:34 AM 601 Views
14-16 The_Muted_Grimaud - 02/10/2009 05:28:02 AM 468 Views
he could have had a trial and chose not to random thoughts - 29/09/2009 05:41:11 PM 630 Views
*agree* *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 05:50:56 PM 234 Views
Yes, he could have SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 05:56:05 PM 584 Views
so he fled the country to spare her the humilation of a trial? random thoughts - 29/09/2009 08:11:59 PM 613 Views
Nope SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:28:58 PM 485 Views
no it isn't but you seem to have trouble understanding he drugged and rapped a child random thoughts - 30/09/2009 09:24:53 PM 687 Views
You seem to have trouble understanding that an accusation isn't proof SilverWarder - 30/09/2009 11:04:35 PM 642 Views
The coward fled the country before anything could be proven random thoughts - 01/10/2009 06:25:27 AM 631 Views
You really don't get it do you? SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 04:20:36 PM 436 Views
I don't get it?????? random thoughts - 01/10/2009 05:22:51 PM 506 Views
Yeah - you don't and it's a good thing you're not part of the legal system SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 05:32:57 PM 595 Views
I call Bullshit here. Sorry Greg. @my - 29/09/2009 05:28:21 PM 622 Views
You're perfectly entitled to your opinions. The Shrike - 29/09/2009 08:11:17 PM 603 Views
Yes, and people have been murdering each other. nossy - 29/09/2009 05:35:26 PM 651 Views
We have no evidence of trauma. The Shrike - 29/09/2009 08:12:44 PM 645 Views
For thousands of years gays have been persecuted and treated as abhorrent perverts. Joker - 02/10/2009 02:57:47 AM 643 Views
And a big fuck you to you too. The Shrike - 05/10/2009 03:08:09 PM 502 Views
He's just a troll, as he's shown in many threads. *NM* Legolas - 05/10/2009 03:19:14 PM 330 Views
Yes, it's not like I have a valid point or anything. *NM* Joker - 05/10/2009 07:16:13 PM 347 Views
Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. Legolas - 05/10/2009 07:46:18 PM 463 Views
Well, I guess you'll have to fulfill your role here and pass sentence... Joker - 06/10/2009 09:19:34 PM 645 Views
You're one to talk. *NM* Legolas - 06/10/2009 09:38:30 PM 318 Views
Oh, I'm sorry. It's not ok to point out the hypocritical holes in your argument? My bad. Joker - 05/10/2009 07:15:33 PM 476 Views
I've been following this with some interest SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 03:28:36 PM 481 Views
That was my impression as well. Camilla - 29/09/2009 03:38:48 PM 448 Views
Re: That was my impression as well. SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 03:43:36 PM 445 Views
Re: That was my impression as well. Camilla - 29/09/2009 03:45:17 PM 465 Views
I agree with many of your points, but on some the facts seem to say something else. Legolas - 29/09/2009 04:13:09 PM 653 Views
*agree* *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 04:20:32 PM 315 Views
Problem of course is that those are not 'facts' SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 04:58:28 PM 640 Views
first you demand fact before judgement then you make a judgement on your opinion? LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 05:04:59 PM 594 Views
Depends on the circumstances SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 05:35:13 PM 590 Views
because she doesn't have any excuse to belly up either LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 04:17:06 PM 633 Views
Re: because she doesn't have any excuse to belly up either SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 05:17:57 PM 545 Views
*snort* LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 05:30:25 PM 562 Views
I would have to agree with you there, actually SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 05:47:13 PM 690 Views
Re: I would have to agree with your first point, but not the second SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 05:47:40 PM 676 Views
There is no way in hell he did not know she was underage. LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 05:55:37 PM 613 Views
Not necessarily true at all SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 06:32:18 PM 563 Views
Somehow, i heavily doubt the fact she was NOT 18 would never have come to light LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 06:40:20 PM 619 Views
You may be right, I don't know. SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 06:58:45 PM 683 Views
so you agree he is guilty to the allegation he pleaded guilty to of sex with a minor? LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 07:09:07 PM 549 Views
There was never any doubt of that SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 07:46:43 PM 526 Views
See below, LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 07:54:09 PM 614 Views
Yeah, I agree about the vigilante part and the extreme reactions... Legolas - 29/09/2009 07:58:18 PM 657 Views
I think I'm reading that article more critically than you are. SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:37:23 PM 603 Views
Or you've already made up your mind, while I'm basing mine on what I read. Legolas - 29/09/2009 08:46:56 PM 683 Views
I haven't entirely made up my mind SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:55:30 PM 578 Views
don't you think he'd say something about it NOW? LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 08:48:59 PM 425 Views
I don't know SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:57:27 PM 468 Views
An article that has a lot of additional detail... Legolas - 29/09/2009 07:18:29 PM 679 Views
I wish i could put a nice big star next to this. LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 07:29:38 PM 558 Views
Umm - why? SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:04:29 PM 605 Views
Yes, well, online newspaper archives don't tend to date back very far... Legolas - 29/09/2009 08:14:52 PM 645 Views
Oh, and if you want to read the op-ed she wrote... Legolas - 29/09/2009 08:20:06 PM 608 Views
Now I'd be interested to see the actual court records LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 08:24:13 PM 548 Views
Me too SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:33:36 PM 433 Views
Yeah, nothing new there really SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:26:24 PM 650 Views
There's always room for exceptions, however... Isaac - 29/09/2009 04:53:34 PM 458 Views
Camilla - he drugged and raped a 13-year old.....what else do you need to know? *NM* trzaska2000 - 29/09/2009 06:19:19 PM 349 Views
I don't know that. Neither do you. Which is part of it. *NM* Camilla - 29/09/2009 06:20:22 PM 347 Views
Yes we do..... trzaska2000 - 29/09/2009 06:30:46 PM 616 Views
No, we don't. SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 06:48:35 PM 570 Views
if these "Facts" were false LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 07:02:50 PM 590 Views
That's extremely naive SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:07:15 PM 483 Views
i fail to see how this is naive LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 08:35:59 PM 636 Views
The naive part SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:49:18 PM 686 Views
I'm not assuming anyone (not just her personal testimony) was telling the truth LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 08:56:52 PM 666 Views
I think that I'm just more cynical than you are SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 09:12:12 PM 606 Views
So because i'm not cynical about the court system and have a different train of logic LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 09:25:53 PM 627 Views
Not necessarily wrong SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 09:43:33 PM 606 Views
Uhm, his bargain wasn't 40-odd days in evaulation LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 09:51:22 PM 464 Views
Not what I read, but this whole thing is so messy... SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 10:25:59 PM 531 Views
I don't remember which article it was from LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 10:32:32 PM 404 Views
One thing that was clear SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 11:08:43 PM 652 Views
Ah I didn't catch that LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 11:15:06 PM 571 Views
Could you source that? SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 11:18:46 PM 615 Views
it's one of the articles that's been linked LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 11:59:02 PM 563 Views
CNN has it the way I described, but I don't know how good their info is. *NM* SilverWarder - 30/09/2009 11:05:45 PM 210 Views
The Mail article, yeah. *NM* Legolas - 30/09/2009 12:01:48 AM 211 Views
Uhm, his bargain wasn't 40-odd days in evaulation LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 09:51:24 PM 540 Views
Yes, we do.....drugs & rape of a 13-year old trzaska2000 - 29/09/2009 07:10:02 PM 604 Views
you do know that just because you repeat something it doesn't instantly become true? *NM* Camilla - 29/09/2009 07:11:03 PM 205 Views
and how many times have y'all said it was false? *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 07:13:27 PM 343 Views
Hello pot, this is kettle, you're black too..... trzaska2000 - 29/09/2009 08:16:16 PM 463 Views
Wow - I guess every allegation ever made by a prosecutor is true SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:09:43 PM 479 Views
I guess you believe every criminal who says "I didn't do it"..... trzaska2000 - 29/09/2009 08:18:29 PM 568 Views
Nope SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 09:14:02 PM 458 Views
He admitted it. Werthead - 29/09/2009 10:45:43 PM 623 Views
You don't get it do you? SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 11:15:27 PM 592 Views
Nothing in the case which he admitted guilt to is in dispute. Werthead - 29/09/2009 11:45:05 PM 581 Views
Hardly SilverWarder - 30/09/2009 11:18:42 PM 590 Views
Seriously, are you related to Roman the Rapist? trzaska2000 - 30/09/2009 01:11:44 AM 589 Views
I want to go on record as saying: I really dislike agreeing with you @my - 30/09/2009 05:03:24 AM 659 Views
Oh, now Amy's accusing me of being a pedophile, that's just funny SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 12:23:53 AM 600 Views
Re: Oh, now Amy's accusing me of being a pedophile, that's just funny Amyrlin - 01/10/2009 05:55:46 AM 625 Views
Honestly Amy, you know nothing whatsoever about my life or why I do things SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 04:03:38 PM 596 Views
I only have one thing left to say to you. @my - 01/10/2009 04:08:42 PM 431 Views
You are certainly entitled to your opinion SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 04:23:32 PM 448 Views
I think you're getting way out of line here, Amy. *NM* Rebekah - 01/10/2009 04:07:59 PM 325 Views
I agree, and already said the same once. It appears that was deleted. *NM* nossy - 01/10/2009 05:15:07 PM 354 Views
Sorry Nossy.. @my - 01/10/2009 06:24:26 PM 584 Views
It was meant to be advice nossy - 01/10/2009 06:39:31 PM 425 Views
That entire conversation when I deleted the original post. Avendesora - 01/10/2009 06:30:00 PM 545 Views
No no.. @my - 01/10/2009 06:43:19 PM 590 Views
Re: I think you're getting way out of line here, Amy. @my - 01/10/2009 06:21:37 PM 441 Views
Heh! Rebekah - 01/10/2009 06:28:07 PM 457 Views
I second that. *NM* Camilla - 01/10/2009 08:21:13 PM 217 Views
No, I happen to dislike vigilante idiots SilverWarder - 30/09/2009 11:21:53 PM 423 Views
Re: No, we don't. Brian - 29/09/2009 10:09:32 PM 544 Views
Re: No, we don't. SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 11:21:08 PM 696 Views
I think for the 1st time ever i'm actually stunned by the comments on this board. Wibble - 29/09/2009 07:14:18 PM 528 Views
Oh but he didn't KNOW LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 07:17:55 PM 504 Views
Ignorance doesn't have to be proven in court SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:11:31 PM 432 Views
no you have back asswards random thoughts - 29/09/2009 08:14:36 PM 482 Views
You're talking ethics and then switch to law SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 09:17:02 PM 497 Views
yes the law can be stupid but not so stupid that you can use the random thoughts - 29/09/2009 10:32:49 PM 489 Views
Oh it's EASILY that stupid and even stupider SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 10:58:33 PM 619 Views
If the girl has to call and ask her mommy if she can stay late you should ask her age random thoughts - 30/09/2009 04:04:33 PM 465 Views
He knew her age. The photo-shoot was specifically looking at young girls. Werthead - 30/09/2009 04:42:01 PM 573 Views
I think he's ignoring such trivial details as "that was the specific age being photographed" *NM* LadyLorraine - 30/09/2009 04:56:10 PM 326 Views
Of course he knew he age random thoughts - 30/09/2009 05:01:19 PM 581 Views
Obviously - because you say so right? SilverWarder - 30/09/2009 11:25:18 PM 429 Views
You really have to be a moron to believ he didn't random thoughts - 01/10/2009 06:27:04 AM 454 Views
That stupidity isn't even worthy of a reply. *NM* SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 04:21:35 PM 333 Views
Wow, way to make up 'facts' SilverWarder - 30/09/2009 11:23:13 PM 650 Views
Do you actually READ any of the articles??? LadyLorraine - 01/10/2009 12:06:54 AM 436 Views
I did and I just went and re-read that one to be sure SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 12:44:46 AM 630 Views
~nods~ *NM* Rebekah - 29/09/2009 07:32:29 PM 321 Views
It's not the first time, but I agree. Gher - 29/09/2009 07:44:06 PM 554 Views
Way to go for a straw man Floffe - 29/09/2009 07:45:44 PM 623 Views
I agree that he is most definitely not a pedophile LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 07:50:23 PM 684 Views
As to your question, I have no idea Floffe - 29/09/2009 07:59:43 PM 676 Views
That is not what staute of limitations is Isaac - 29/09/2009 07:52:32 PM 437 Views
Yes Floffe - 29/09/2009 08:00:49 PM 460 Views
Re: Yes Isaac - 29/09/2009 08:13:24 PM 600 Views
I prefer the Tin Man myself Wibble - 29/09/2009 07:57:07 PM 651 Views
Re: Way to go for a straw man Camilla - 30/09/2009 05:05:47 PM 574 Views
No one has excused him. But there is no point any longer in going after him. The Shrike - 29/09/2009 08:15:42 PM 709 Views
i can certainly agree that it's a waste of time and resources LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 08:20:19 PM 442 Views
there are advantages and disadvantages to being famous random thoughts - 29/09/2009 08:49:21 PM 439 Views
Agreed - I can't believe people are defending this d-bag.....amazing! *NM* trzaska2000 - 29/09/2009 08:25:05 PM 335 Views
It is rather mind-boggling *NM* Isaac - 29/09/2009 08:29:11 PM 321 Views
well nossy - 29/09/2009 08:34:56 PM 583 Views
I'm all for the gray and considerin both sides. LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 08:45:50 PM 498 Views
Ben Franklin once said SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 09:30:16 PM 638 Views
*snort* LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 10:02:13 PM 657 Views
I'd say you need to spend more time around lawyers SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 10:40:05 PM 540 Views
isn't he still churning out movies like crazy? LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 10:42:48 PM 462 Views
I've no idea SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 11:22:20 PM 592 Views
Exactly Nossy SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 09:20:14 PM 685 Views
Well it's certainly apparent you're sticking to it *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 09:27:48 PM 319 Views
That's always been how I am though. SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 09:32:30 PM 619 Views
I've decided I really don't care about this either way at all. Tom - 29/09/2009 08:38:14 PM 552 Views
It has an effect on good cinema *NM* Camilla - 29/09/2009 08:52:58 PM 256 Views
there's been people saying he shouldn't get his Oscar for it LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 08:59:04 PM 442 Views
Doubtful. Tom - 30/09/2009 02:04:52 AM 562 Views
How recent is recently? The Shrike - 30/09/2009 02:22:39 AM 517 Views
There's a lot of misinformation flying around here. Werthead - 29/09/2009 11:22:29 PM 636 Views
That would be more convincing if you didn't have incorrect information yourself. Legolas - 29/09/2009 11:58:40 PM 455 Views
I just worked that out. Werthead - 30/09/2009 12:07:43 AM 636 Views
Re: I just worked that out. Legolas - 30/09/2009 12:28:13 AM 606 Views
Re: I just worked that out. Werthead - 30/09/2009 12:42:17 AM 593 Views
Small correction SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 12:15:45 AM 563 Views
Think about that one a bit SilverWarder - 30/09/2009 11:34:56 PM 625 Views
Add to that also SilverWarder - 30/09/2009 11:30:14 PM 648 Views
Excellent summary on Roman the Rapist.....good job! *NM* trzaska2000 - 30/09/2009 01:13:35 AM 337 Views
Most impressive Isaac - 30/09/2009 01:21:42 AM 431 Views
Excellent - and done better than most of the rest of us. *NM* @my - 30/09/2009 03:34:11 PM 349 Views
In my opinion... Avendesora - 30/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 572 Views
Can I just say... Lupine - 30/09/2009 05:54:47 PM 596 Views
The state is also a vicitm random thoughts - 30/09/2009 06:17:22 PM 633 Views
Hardly, in this case SilverWarder - 30/09/2009 11:57:48 PM 462 Views
He drugged and raped her.....please feel free to pass this along..... *NM* trzaska2000 - 01/10/2009 12:23:49 AM 354 Views
you know your arguments would have more merit if you had a clue what your were talking about random thoughts - 01/10/2009 06:24:35 AM 443 Views
You should know what you are talking about before you post SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 04:18:50 PM 658 Views
OK go learn something and then come back random thoughts - 01/10/2009 05:15:45 PM 625 Views
I note that you ignore the fact that I just proved you wrong... SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 05:27:01 PM 549 Views
no you just mistated some crap that I ignored *sigh* random thoughts - 01/10/2009 06:30:03 PM 442 Views
Well - there's another accusation of pedophilia for being skeptical of a borked law case SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 06:52:08 PM 437 Views
The girl and mother requested to cut a deal, so the 13-year old wouldn't have to testify..... trzaska2000 - 01/10/2009 04:28:49 PM 430 Views
Actually, the prosecution cut the deal SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 05:29:29 PM 561 Views
And the most important reason for justice... Mats Gambling Buddy - 30/09/2009 07:43:33 PM 673 Views
Just to be clear SilverWarder - 30/09/2009 11:47:42 PM 658 Views
This may help some of the argument, but sadly not much SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 02:06:22 AM 612 Views
It's not just that he admitted to it in the plea bargain. Lupine - 01/10/2009 03:10:37 AM 651 Views
*agree* *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/10/2009 02:36:05 PM 222 Views
Well this was the first proof I found that he actually did know her age around the court date SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 04:16:19 PM 604 Views
Yes, looking at him very strangely.....he's jumping the shark big-time on this one! trzaska2000 - 01/10/2009 04:31:43 PM 469 Views
Apparently you don't get the idea of honest debate SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 06:40:45 PM 613 Views
Good news - French government drops support for director Roman Polanski trzaska2000 - 01/10/2009 04:46:42 PM 595 Views
Hypocrites. *NM* Legolas - 01/10/2009 05:41:34 PM 404 Views
Yeah pretty much SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 06:28:01 PM 486 Views
Not only that, but the DA that said he coached the Judge is now claiming he lied to the documentary Brian - 01/10/2009 07:26:30 PM 601 Views
Well, unless I find some new facts to post - I think I'm done with this thread SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 06:59:36 PM 717 Views
It was quite a valiant effort Camilla - 01/10/2009 08:30:23 PM 466 Views
Re: Well, unless I find some new facts to post - I think I'm done with this thread Brian - 01/10/2009 08:41:01 PM 480 Views
I agree the attacks on you personally were not warranted and were out of line. Werthead - 03/10/2009 03:02:03 AM 647 Views
Please. @my - 05/10/2009 03:35:50 PM 627 Views
My "bottom line" on this subject: @my - 01/10/2009 07:21:19 PM 622 Views
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