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He knew her age. The photo-shoot was specifically looking at young girls. Werthead Send a noteboard - 30/09/2009 04:42:01 PM
The photo shoot was for an issue of Vogue specifically looking at girls in that age range. Polanski said beforehand he was looking for girls aged 13-14 to appear in the photos. Her mother had to consent to the girl appearing in the photos in the first place as well because she was a minor.

The, "But I didn't know she was that young!" defence, although weak in this case (as she was four years under the age of consent, not just a year or two), was not invoked by Polanski at all during the investigation because it was totally implausible.
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/History/Politics/I'm not sure: A commentary on the Roman Polanski arrest - 29/09/2009 10:15:12 AM 1221 Views
And a NYT article on the same topic - 29/09/2009 10:51:58 AM 295 Views
There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 11:53:41 AM 422 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 11:57:18 AM 518 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:09:27 PM 295 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:15:54 PM 377 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:41:56 PM 374 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:47:05 PM 401 Views
There is a word which describes the famous film director - 29/09/2009 01:05:56 PM 324 Views
There is a massive difference between Genet and Polanski - 29/09/2009 01:32:41 PM 528 Views
Yeah, there is - 29/09/2009 03:41:11 PM 364 Views
if the guy was someone else, do you think anyone would care? - 29/09/2009 02:08:15 PM 405 Views
For thousands of years 13yos have been having sex with much older males. - 29/09/2009 02:46:27 PM 337 Views
Lots of things have been going on for thousands of years. - 29/09/2009 03:35:06 PM 296 Views
Well on the flip side - 29/09/2009 03:49:35 PM 385 Views
Absolutely true enough. - 29/09/2009 04:11:28 PM 457 Views
Agreed - 29/09/2009 04:37:38 PM 395 Views
with you on this. *NM* - 30/09/2009 05:05:21 PM 261 Views
if you were talking "consensual", i'd probably at least grudgingly agree - 29/09/2009 04:07:08 PM 389 Views
Problem is that we don't know - 29/09/2009 04:46:15 PM 389 Views
he said/she said/lawyer said - 29/09/2009 05:01:41 PM 442 Views
Yep - 29/09/2009 05:28:16 PM 411 Views
I was not under the impression he did not know she was a minor - 29/09/2009 05:50:38 PM 416 Views
Well, Angelica Huston (who was there that night) didn't think she looked 'like a minor' - 29/09/2009 06:17:15 PM 434 Views
Whoa - what's with the double post? *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:17:33 PM 267 Views
Or the triple post! *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:18:13 PM 246 Views
It was a photo shoot for a film why WOULD she look like a minor?? - 29/09/2009 06:27:00 PM 439 Views
Sorry - no it wasn't for a film at all - 29/09/2009 06:39:14 PM 350 Views
I believe at some point it wasn mentioned to be connected to a film - 29/09/2009 06:42:25 PM 222 Views
I've never seen anything to support that - 29/09/2009 07:01:56 PM 239 Views
even if the paperwork didn't show it - 29/09/2009 07:06:02 PM 434 Views
Possibly - 29/09/2009 07:35:33 PM 420 Views
and i'm saying that if it was under contest - 29/09/2009 07:38:24 PM 381 Views
Do you understand how the legal system works in Common Law? - 29/09/2009 07:53:34 PM 398 Views
*shake head* wahtever - 29/09/2009 08:07:25 PM 359 Views
here is a photo of her taken that same year. - 29/09/2009 08:10:21 PM 439 Views
Seen that one as part of my research on this - 29/09/2009 08:22:33 PM 461 Views
I think it very telling that you want to take this line of when Polanski doesn't - 29/09/2009 08:36:47 PM 312 Views
Really? Who says? - 29/09/2009 08:42:38 PM 365 Views
I can't prove it wasn't aliens using mind control rays that forced him to do it - 29/09/2009 08:57:10 PM 281 Views
There is one thing I would like to say. - 29/09/2009 09:03:06 PM 286 Views
Absolutely unacceptable behavior for an administrator, Avendesora. - 30/09/2009 10:44:32 PM 364 Views
Looks like an accidental edit instead of a reply to me. *NM* - 01/10/2009 01:42:33 PM 232 Views
Agreed. I've almost done that a few times on my board. *NM* - 01/10/2009 04:08:44 PM 245 Views
actually, it was an honest mistake. I accidentally clicked on "edit" instead of "reply". - 01/10/2009 06:25:48 PM 234 Views
No worries Ave - 01/10/2009 06:41:51 PM 221 Views
Ah. Sorry. - 02/10/2009 02:10:34 AM 370 Views
14-16 - 02/10/2009 05:28:02 AM 231 Views
he could have had a trial and chose not to - 29/09/2009 05:41:11 PM 395 Views
*agree* *NM* - 29/09/2009 05:50:56 PM 133 Views
Yes, he could have - 29/09/2009 05:56:05 PM 361 Views
so he fled the country to spare her the humilation of a trial? - 29/09/2009 08:11:59 PM 384 Views
Nope - 29/09/2009 08:28:58 PM 248 Views
no it isn't but you seem to have trouble understanding he drugged and rapped a child - 30/09/2009 09:24:53 PM 411 Views
You seem to have trouble understanding that an accusation isn't proof - 30/09/2009 11:04:35 PM 407 Views
The coward fled the country before anything could be proven - 01/10/2009 06:25:27 AM 396 Views
You really don't get it do you? - 01/10/2009 04:20:36 PM 189 Views
I don't get it?????? - 01/10/2009 05:22:51 PM 276 Views
Yeah - you don't and it's a good thing you're not part of the legal system - 01/10/2009 05:32:57 PM 367 Views
I call Bullshit here. Sorry Greg. - 29/09/2009 05:28:21 PM 405 Views
You're perfectly entitled to your opinions. - 29/09/2009 08:11:17 PM 350 Views
Yes, and people have been murdering each other. - 29/09/2009 05:35:26 PM 421 Views
We have no evidence of trauma. - 29/09/2009 08:12:44 PM 409 Views
For thousands of years gays have been persecuted and treated as abhorrent perverts. - 02/10/2009 02:57:47 AM 417 Views
And a big fuck you to you too. - 05/10/2009 03:08:09 PM 241 Views
He's just a troll, as he's shown in many threads. *NM* - 05/10/2009 03:19:14 PM 215 Views
Yes, it's not like I have a valid point or anything. *NM* - 05/10/2009 07:16:13 PM 232 Views
Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. - 05/10/2009 07:46:18 PM 236 Views
Well, I guess you'll have to fulfill your role here and pass sentence... - 06/10/2009 09:19:34 PM 397 Views
You're one to talk. *NM* - 06/10/2009 09:38:30 PM 217 Views
I've been following this with some interest - 29/09/2009 03:28:36 PM 250 Views
That was my impression as well. - 29/09/2009 03:38:48 PM 234 Views
Re: That was my impression as well. - 29/09/2009 03:43:36 PM 232 Views
Re: That was my impression as well. - 29/09/2009 03:45:17 PM 220 Views
I agree with many of your points, but on some the facts seem to say something else. - 29/09/2009 04:13:09 PM 396 Views
*agree* *NM* - 29/09/2009 04:20:32 PM 211 Views
Problem of course is that those are not 'facts' - 29/09/2009 04:58:28 PM 419 Views
first you demand fact before judgement then you make a judgement on your opinion? - 29/09/2009 05:04:59 PM 360 Views
Depends on the circumstances - 29/09/2009 05:35:13 PM 378 Views
because she doesn't have any excuse to belly up either - 29/09/2009 04:17:06 PM 396 Views
Re: because she doesn't have any excuse to belly up either - 29/09/2009 05:17:57 PM 318 Views
*snort* - 29/09/2009 05:30:25 PM 336 Views
I would have to agree with you there, actually - 29/09/2009 05:47:13 PM 465 Views
Re: I would have to agree with your first point, but not the second - 29/09/2009 05:47:40 PM 441 Views
There is no way in hell he did not know she was underage. - 29/09/2009 05:55:37 PM 393 Views
Not necessarily true at all - 29/09/2009 06:32:18 PM 338 Views
Somehow, i heavily doubt the fact she was NOT 18 would never have come to light - 29/09/2009 06:40:20 PM 404 Views
You may be right, I don't know. - 29/09/2009 06:58:45 PM 413 Views
so you agree he is guilty to the allegation he pleaded guilty to of sex with a minor? - 29/09/2009 07:09:07 PM 317 Views
There was never any doubt of that - 29/09/2009 07:46:43 PM 306 Views
See below, - 29/09/2009 07:54:09 PM 335 Views
Yeah, I agree about the vigilante part and the extreme reactions... - 29/09/2009 07:58:18 PM 431 Views
I think I'm reading that article more critically than you are. - 29/09/2009 08:37:23 PM 370 Views
Or you've already made up your mind, while I'm basing mine on what I read. - 29/09/2009 08:46:56 PM 434 Views
I haven't entirely made up my mind - 29/09/2009 08:55:30 PM 324 Views
don't you think he'd say something about it NOW? - 29/09/2009 08:48:59 PM 200 Views
I don't know - 29/09/2009 08:57:27 PM 227 Views
An article that has a lot of additional detail... - 29/09/2009 07:18:29 PM 411 Views
I wish i could put a nice big star next to this. - 29/09/2009 07:29:38 PM 326 Views
Umm - why? - 29/09/2009 08:04:29 PM 379 Views
Yes, well, online newspaper archives don't tend to date back very far... - 29/09/2009 08:14:52 PM 406 Views
Oh, and if you want to read the op-ed she wrote... - 29/09/2009 08:20:06 PM 341 Views
Now I'd be interested to see the actual court records - 29/09/2009 08:24:13 PM 324 Views
Me too - 29/09/2009 08:33:36 PM 202 Views
Yeah, nothing new there really - 29/09/2009 08:26:24 PM 415 Views
There's always room for exceptions, however... - 29/09/2009 04:53:34 PM 220 Views
Camilla - he drugged and raped a 13-year old.....what else do you need to know? *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:19:19 PM 240 Views
I don't know that. Neither do you. Which is part of it. *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:20:22 PM 237 Views
Yes we do..... - 29/09/2009 06:30:46 PM 376 Views
No, we don't. - 29/09/2009 06:48:35 PM 328 Views
if these "Facts" were false - 29/09/2009 07:02:50 PM 356 Views
That's extremely naive - 29/09/2009 08:07:15 PM 250 Views
i fail to see how this is naive - 29/09/2009 08:35:59 PM 406 Views
The naive part - 29/09/2009 08:49:18 PM 406 Views
I'm not assuming anyone (not just her personal testimony) was telling the truth - 29/09/2009 08:56:52 PM 426 Views
I think that I'm just more cynical than you are - 29/09/2009 09:12:12 PM 369 Views
So because i'm not cynical about the court system and have a different train of logic - 29/09/2009 09:25:53 PM 390 Views
Not necessarily wrong - 29/09/2009 09:43:33 PM 366 Views
Uhm, his bargain wasn't 40-odd days in evaulation - 29/09/2009 09:51:22 PM 196 Views
Not what I read, but this whole thing is so messy... - 29/09/2009 10:25:59 PM 300 Views
I don't remember which article it was from - 29/09/2009 10:32:32 PM 177 Views
One thing that was clear - 29/09/2009 11:08:43 PM 402 Views
Ah I didn't catch that - 29/09/2009 11:15:06 PM 349 Views
Could you source that? - 29/09/2009 11:18:46 PM 382 Views
it's one of the articles that's been linked - 29/09/2009 11:59:02 PM 340 Views
The Mail article, yeah. *NM* - 30/09/2009 12:01:48 AM 100 Views
Uhm, his bargain wasn't 40-odd days in evaulation - 29/09/2009 09:51:24 PM 306 Views
Yes, we do.....drugs & rape of a 13-year old - 29/09/2009 07:10:02 PM 342 Views
you do know that just because you repeat something it doesn't instantly become true? *NM* - 29/09/2009 07:11:03 PM 93 Views
and how many times have y'all said it was false? *NM* - 29/09/2009 07:13:27 PM 238 Views
Hello pot, this is kettle, you're black too..... - 29/09/2009 08:16:16 PM 228 Views
Wow - I guess every allegation ever made by a prosecutor is true - 29/09/2009 08:09:43 PM 247 Views
I guess you believe every criminal who says "I didn't do it"..... - 29/09/2009 08:18:29 PM 327 Views
Nope - 29/09/2009 09:14:02 PM 246 Views
He admitted it. - 29/09/2009 10:45:43 PM 378 Views
You don't get it do you? - 29/09/2009 11:15:27 PM 350 Views
Nothing in the case which he admitted guilt to is in dispute. - 29/09/2009 11:45:05 PM 338 Views
Hardly - 30/09/2009 11:18:42 PM 328 Views
Seriously, are you related to Roman the Rapist? - 30/09/2009 01:11:44 AM 349 Views
I want to go on record as saying: I really dislike agreeing with you - 30/09/2009 05:03:24 AM 429 Views
Oh, now Amy's accusing me of being a pedophile, that's just funny - 01/10/2009 12:23:53 AM 335 Views
Re: Oh, now Amy's accusing me of being a pedophile, that's just funny - 01/10/2009 05:55:46 AM 376 Views
Honestly Amy, you know nothing whatsoever about my life or why I do things - 01/10/2009 04:03:38 PM 359 Views
I only have one thing left to say to you. - 01/10/2009 04:08:42 PM 194 Views
You are certainly entitled to your opinion - 01/10/2009 04:23:32 PM 214 Views
I think you're getting way out of line here, Amy. *NM* - 01/10/2009 04:07:59 PM 216 Views
I agree, and already said the same once. It appears that was deleted. *NM* - 01/10/2009 05:15:07 PM 253 Views
Sorry Nossy.. - 01/10/2009 06:24:26 PM 345 Views
It was meant to be advice - 01/10/2009 06:39:31 PM 198 Views
That entire conversation when I deleted the original post. - 01/10/2009 06:30:00 PM 310 Views
No no.. - 01/10/2009 06:43:19 PM 371 Views
Re: I think you're getting way out of line here, Amy. - 01/10/2009 06:21:37 PM 204 Views
Heh! - 01/10/2009 06:28:07 PM 224 Views
I second that. *NM* - 01/10/2009 08:21:13 PM 104 Views
No, I happen to dislike vigilante idiots - 30/09/2009 11:21:53 PM 207 Views
Re: No, we don't. - 29/09/2009 10:09:32 PM 305 Views
Re: No, we don't. - 29/09/2009 11:21:08 PM 451 Views
I think for the 1st time ever i'm actually stunned by the comments on this board. - 29/09/2009 07:14:18 PM 297 Views
Oh but he didn't KNOW - 29/09/2009 07:17:55 PM 263 Views
Ignorance doesn't have to be proven in court - 29/09/2009 08:11:31 PM 215 Views
no you have back asswards - 29/09/2009 08:14:36 PM 250 Views
You're talking ethics and then switch to law - 29/09/2009 09:17:02 PM 217 Views
yes the law can be stupid but not so stupid that you can use the - 29/09/2009 10:32:49 PM 258 Views
Oh it's EASILY that stupid and even stupider - 29/09/2009 10:58:33 PM 377 Views
If the girl has to call and ask her mommy if she can stay late you should ask her age - 30/09/2009 04:04:33 PM 238 Views
He knew her age. The photo-shoot was specifically looking at young girls. - 30/09/2009 04:42:01 PM 353 Views
Of course he knew he age - 30/09/2009 05:01:19 PM 347 Views
Obviously - because you say so right? - 30/09/2009 11:25:18 PM 204 Views
You really have to be a moron to believ he didn't - 01/10/2009 06:27:04 AM 218 Views
That stupidity isn't even worthy of a reply. *NM* - 01/10/2009 04:21:35 PM 218 Views
Wow, way to make up 'facts' - 30/09/2009 11:23:13 PM 425 Views
Do you actually READ any of the articles??? - 01/10/2009 12:06:54 AM 209 Views
I did and I just went and re-read that one to be sure - 01/10/2009 12:44:46 AM 382 Views
~nods~ *NM* - 29/09/2009 07:32:29 PM 214 Views
It's not the first time, but I agree. - 29/09/2009 07:44:06 PM 323 Views
Way to go for a straw man - 29/09/2009 07:45:44 PM 383 Views
I agree that he is most definitely not a pedophile - 29/09/2009 07:50:23 PM 443 Views
As to your question, I have no idea - 29/09/2009 07:59:43 PM 440 Views
That is not what staute of limitations is - 29/09/2009 07:52:32 PM 211 Views
Yes - 29/09/2009 08:00:49 PM 247 Views
Re: Yes - 29/09/2009 08:13:24 PM 375 Views
I prefer the Tin Man myself - 29/09/2009 07:57:07 PM 418 Views
Re: Way to go for a straw man - 30/09/2009 05:05:47 PM 331 Views
No one has excused him. But there is no point any longer in going after him. - 29/09/2009 08:15:42 PM 458 Views
i can certainly agree that it's a waste of time and resources - 29/09/2009 08:20:19 PM 212 Views
there are advantages and disadvantages to being famous - 29/09/2009 08:49:21 PM 218 Views
Agreed - I can't believe people are defending this d-bag.....amazing! *NM* - 29/09/2009 08:25:05 PM 216 Views
It is rather mind-boggling *NM* - 29/09/2009 08:29:11 PM 216 Views
well - 29/09/2009 08:34:56 PM 359 Views
I'm all for the gray and considerin both sides. - 29/09/2009 08:45:50 PM 267 Views
Ben Franklin once said - 29/09/2009 09:30:16 PM 408 Views
*snort* - 29/09/2009 10:02:13 PM 380 Views
I'd say you need to spend more time around lawyers - 29/09/2009 10:40:05 PM 321 Views
isn't he still churning out movies like crazy? - 29/09/2009 10:42:48 PM 223 Views
I've no idea - 29/09/2009 11:22:20 PM 352 Views
Exactly Nossy - 29/09/2009 09:20:14 PM 443 Views
Well it's certainly apparent you're sticking to it *NM* - 29/09/2009 09:27:48 PM 217 Views
That's always been how I am though. - 29/09/2009 09:32:30 PM 372 Views
I've decided I really don't care about this either way at all. - 29/09/2009 08:38:14 PM 304 Views
It has an effect on good cinema *NM* - 29/09/2009 08:52:58 PM 141 Views
there's been people saying he shouldn't get his Oscar for it - 29/09/2009 08:59:04 PM 203 Views
Doubtful. - 30/09/2009 02:04:52 AM 335 Views
How recent is recently? - 30/09/2009 02:22:39 AM 253 Views
There's a lot of misinformation flying around here. - 29/09/2009 11:22:29 PM 388 Views
That would be more convincing if you didn't have incorrect information yourself. - 29/09/2009 11:58:40 PM 216 Views
I just worked that out. - 30/09/2009 12:07:43 AM 382 Views
Re: I just worked that out. - 30/09/2009 12:28:13 AM 350 Views
Re: I just worked that out. - 30/09/2009 12:42:17 AM 334 Views
Small correction - 01/10/2009 12:15:45 AM 328 Views
Think about that one a bit - 30/09/2009 11:34:56 PM 397 Views
Add to that also - 30/09/2009 11:30:14 PM 420 Views
Excellent summary on Roman the Rapist.....good job! *NM* - 30/09/2009 01:13:35 AM 234 Views
Most impressive - 30/09/2009 01:21:42 AM 190 Views
Excellent - and done better than most of the rest of us. *NM* - 30/09/2009 03:34:11 PM 237 Views
In my opinion... - 30/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 333 Views
Can I just say... - 30/09/2009 05:54:47 PM 349 Views
The state is also a vicitm - 30/09/2009 06:17:22 PM 348 Views
Hardly, in this case - 30/09/2009 11:57:48 PM 232 Views
you know your arguments would have more merit if you had a clue what your were talking about - 01/10/2009 06:24:35 AM 207 Views
You should know what you are talking about before you post - 01/10/2009 04:18:50 PM 409 Views
OK go learn something and then come back - 01/10/2009 05:15:45 PM 382 Views
I note that you ignore the fact that I just proved you wrong... - 01/10/2009 05:27:01 PM 316 Views
no you just mistated some crap that I ignored *sigh* - 01/10/2009 06:30:03 PM 215 Views
The girl and mother requested to cut a deal, so the 13-year old wouldn't have to testify..... - 01/10/2009 04:28:49 PM 190 Views
Actually, the prosecution cut the deal - 01/10/2009 05:29:29 PM 321 Views
And the most important reason for justice... - 30/09/2009 07:43:33 PM 451 Views
Just to be clear - 30/09/2009 11:47:42 PM 421 Views
This may help some of the argument, but sadly not much - 01/10/2009 02:06:22 AM 364 Views
It's not just that he admitted to it in the plea bargain. - 01/10/2009 03:10:37 AM 413 Views
*agree* *NM* - 01/10/2009 02:36:05 PM 110 Views
Yes, looking at him very strangely.....he's jumping the shark big-time on this one! - 01/10/2009 04:31:43 PM 226 Views
Apparently you don't get the idea of honest debate - 01/10/2009 06:40:45 PM 369 Views
Good news - French government drops support for director Roman Polanski - 01/10/2009 04:46:42 PM 369 Views
Hypocrites. *NM* - 01/10/2009 05:41:34 PM 253 Views
Yeah pretty much - 01/10/2009 06:28:01 PM 247 Views
Well, unless I find some new facts to post - I think I'm done with this thread - 01/10/2009 06:59:36 PM 488 Views
It was quite a valiant effort - 01/10/2009 08:30:23 PM 246 Views
I agree the attacks on you personally were not warranted and were out of line. - 03/10/2009 03:02:03 AM 406 Views
Please. - 05/10/2009 03:35:50 PM 407 Views
My "bottom line" on this subject: - 01/10/2009 07:21:19 PM 402 Views

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