I agree with many of your points, but on some the facts seem to say something else.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 29/09/2009 04:13:09 PM
As to all the 'Hang the rapist pedophile crap' come on people. I've never heard of a serious pedophile who wasn't a repeat offender and if Polanski is, then it's been hidden amazingly well. Did he know the girl's age at the time? No one knows, although Anjelica Huston (who was present and not involved in the case) said "She certainly didn't strike me as an innocent 13 year old". She goes on to say that the girl could have been anywhere up to 25 and she is one of the few who saw her that night.
Here particularly - I too have serious doubts about calling him a "pedophile", but that he had a pretty good idea about the girl's age seems clear. Wikipedia has the following:
"According to Geimer, Polanski asked Geimer's mother if he could photograph the girl for the French edition of Vogue, which Polanski had been invited to guest-edit. Her mother allowed a private photo shoot. According to Geimer in a 2003 interview, "Everything was going fine; then he asked me to change, well, in front of him." She added, "It didn't feel right, and I didn't want to go back to the second shoot."
Geimer later agreed to a second session, which took place on March 10, 1977 at the Mulholland area home of actor Jack Nicholson in Los Angeles. "We did photos with me drinking champagne," Geimer says. "Toward the end it got a little scary, and I realized he had other intentions and I knew I was not where I should be. I just didn't quite know how to get myself out of there." She recalled in a 2003 interview that she began to feel uncomfortable after he asked her to lie down on a bed, and how she attempted to resist. "I said, 'No, no. I don't want to go in there. No, I don't want to do this. No!', and then I didn't know what else to do," she stated, adding: "We were alone and I didn’t know what else would happen if I made a scene. So I was just scared, and after giving some resistance, I figured well, I guess I’ll get to come home after this".
Geimer testified that Polanski gave her a combination of champagne and quaaludes, a sedative drug, and "despite her protests, he performed oral sex, intercourse and sodomy on her", each time after being told 'no' and being asked to stop." "
Now, there are some parts in there that are he said/she said, and that Geimer might be exaggerating on - though judging on her recent comments, she doesn't seem the type to make things up or exaggerate very much. The article doesn't say which if any parts of that story Polanski disputes, though surely there must be some if he was offered that plea bargain... the accusations as described there are very serious, I can't imagine he would've gotten off lightly for those. But the part about him having talked to her mother and the two sessions deal seem like they would be very easy to check, and hence rather unlikely to be untrue. Of course talking to her mother doesn't automatically mean he knows her age, but at least he must have known she was a minor, and not just technically.
/History/Politics/I'm not sure: A commentary on the Roman Polanski arrest
29/09/2009 10:15:12 AM
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There's some seriously twisted logic in this
29/09/2009 11:53:41 AM
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Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this
29/09/2009 11:57:18 AM
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Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this
29/09/2009 12:09:27 PM
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Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this
29/09/2009 12:15:54 PM
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For thousands of years 13yos have been having sex with much older males.
29/09/2009 02:46:27 PM
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Lots of things have been going on for thousands of years.
29/09/2009 03:35:06 PM
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Well on the flip side
29/09/2009 03:49:35 PM
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if you were talking "consensual", i'd probably at least grudgingly agree
29/09/2009 04:07:08 PM
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Problem is that we don't know
29/09/2009 04:46:15 PM
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he said/she said/lawyer said
29/09/2009 05:01:41 PM
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Yep
29/09/2009 05:28:16 PM
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I was not under the impression he did not know she was a minor
29/09/2009 05:50:38 PM
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Well, Angelica Huston (who was there that night) didn't think she looked 'like a minor'
29/09/2009 06:17:15 PM
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It was a photo shoot for a film why WOULD she look like a minor??
29/09/2009 06:27:00 PM
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Sorry - no it wasn't for a film at all
29/09/2009 06:39:14 PM
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I believe at some point it wasn mentioned to be connected to a film
29/09/2009 06:42:25 PM
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I've never seen anything to support that
29/09/2009 07:01:56 PM
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even if the paperwork didn't show it
29/09/2009 07:06:02 PM
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Possibly
29/09/2009 07:35:33 PM
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and i'm saying that if it was under contest
29/09/2009 07:38:24 PM
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here is a photo of her taken that same year.
29/09/2009 08:10:21 PM
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Seen that one as part of my research on this
29/09/2009 08:22:33 PM
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I think it very telling that you want to take this line of when Polanski doesn't
29/09/2009 08:36:47 PM
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Really? Who says?
29/09/2009 08:42:38 PM
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I can't prove it wasn't aliens using mind control rays that forced him to do it
29/09/2009 08:57:10 PM
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There is one thing I would like to say.
29/09/2009 09:03:06 PM
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Absolutely unacceptable behavior for an administrator, Avendesora.
30/09/2009 10:44:32 PM
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actually, it was an honest mistake. I accidentally clicked on "edit" instead of "reply".
01/10/2009 06:25:48 PM
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he could have had a trial and chose not to
29/09/2009 05:41:11 PM
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Yes, he could have
29/09/2009 05:56:05 PM
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so he fled the country to spare her the humilation of a trial?
29/09/2009 08:11:59 PM
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Nope
29/09/2009 08:28:58 PM
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no it isn't but you seem to have trouble understanding he drugged and rapped a child
30/09/2009 09:24:53 PM
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You seem to have trouble understanding that an accusation isn't proof
30/09/2009 11:04:35 PM
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The coward fled the country before anything could be proven
01/10/2009 06:25:27 AM
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You really don't get it do you?
01/10/2009 04:20:36 PM
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I don't get it??????
01/10/2009 05:22:51 PM
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Yeah - you don't and it's a good thing you're not part of the legal system
01/10/2009 05:32:57 PM
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For thousands of years gays have been persecuted and treated as abhorrent perverts.
02/10/2009 02:57:47 AM
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And a big fuck you to you too.
05/10/2009 03:08:09 PM
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He's just a troll, as he's shown in many threads. *NM*
05/10/2009 03:19:14 PM
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Yes, it's not like I have a valid point or anything. *NM*
05/10/2009 07:16:13 PM
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Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't.
05/10/2009 07:46:18 PM
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Well, I guess you'll have to fulfill your role here and pass sentence...
06/10/2009 09:19:34 PM
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Oh, I'm sorry. It's not ok to point out the hypocritical holes in your argument? My bad.
05/10/2009 07:15:33 PM
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I've been following this with some interest
29/09/2009 03:28:36 PM
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That was my impression as well.
29/09/2009 03:38:48 PM
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I agree with many of your points, but on some the facts seem to say something else.
29/09/2009 04:13:09 PM
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Problem of course is that those are not 'facts'
29/09/2009 04:58:28 PM
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first you demand fact before judgement then you make a judgement on your opinion?
29/09/2009 05:04:59 PM
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because she doesn't have any excuse to belly up either
29/09/2009 04:17:06 PM
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Re: because she doesn't have any excuse to belly up either
29/09/2009 05:17:57 PM
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*snort*
29/09/2009 05:30:25 PM
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I would have to agree with you there, actually
29/09/2009 05:47:13 PM
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Re: I would have to agree with your first point, but not the second
29/09/2009 05:47:40 PM
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There is no way in hell he did not know she was underage.
29/09/2009 05:55:37 PM
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Not necessarily true at all
29/09/2009 06:32:18 PM
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Somehow, i heavily doubt the fact she was NOT 18 would never have come to light
29/09/2009 06:40:20 PM
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You may be right, I don't know.
29/09/2009 06:58:45 PM
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so you agree he is guilty to the allegation he pleaded guilty to of sex with a minor?
29/09/2009 07:09:07 PM
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There was never any doubt of that
29/09/2009 07:46:43 PM
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Yeah, I agree about the vigilante part and the extreme reactions...
29/09/2009 07:58:18 PM
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I think I'm reading that article more critically than you are.
29/09/2009 08:37:23 PM
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Or you've already made up your mind, while I'm basing mine on what I read.
29/09/2009 08:46:56 PM
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An article that has a lot of additional detail...
29/09/2009 07:18:29 PM
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I wish i could put a nice big star next to this.
29/09/2009 07:29:38 PM
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Umm - why?
29/09/2009 08:04:29 PM
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Yes, well, online newspaper archives don't tend to date back very far...
29/09/2009 08:14:52 PM
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Oh, and if you want to read the op-ed she wrote...
29/09/2009 08:20:06 PM
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Camilla - he drugged and raped a 13-year old.....what else do you need to know? *NM*
29/09/2009 06:19:19 PM
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I don't know that. Neither do you. Which is part of it. *NM*
29/09/2009 06:20:22 PM
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Yes we do.....
29/09/2009 06:30:46 PM
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No, we don't.
29/09/2009 06:48:35 PM
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if these "Facts" were false
29/09/2009 07:02:50 PM
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That's extremely naive
29/09/2009 08:07:15 PM
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i fail to see how this is naive
29/09/2009 08:35:59 PM
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The naive part
29/09/2009 08:49:18 PM
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I'm not assuming anyone (not just her personal testimony) was telling the truth
29/09/2009 08:56:52 PM
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I think that I'm just more cynical than you are
29/09/2009 09:12:12 PM
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So because i'm not cynical about the court system and have a different train of logic
29/09/2009 09:25:53 PM
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Not necessarily wrong
29/09/2009 09:43:33 PM
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Uhm, his bargain wasn't 40-odd days in evaulation
29/09/2009 09:51:22 PM
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Not what I read, but this whole thing is so messy...
29/09/2009 10:25:59 PM
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I don't remember which article it was from
29/09/2009 10:32:32 PM
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One thing that was clear
29/09/2009 11:08:43 PM
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Ah I didn't catch that
29/09/2009 11:15:06 PM
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Could you source that?
29/09/2009 11:18:46 PM
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it's one of the articles that's been linked
29/09/2009 11:59:02 PM
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CNN has it the way I described, but I don't know how good their info is. *NM*
30/09/2009 11:05:45 PM
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Yes, we do.....drugs & rape of a 13-year old
29/09/2009 07:10:02 PM
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you do know that just because you repeat something it doesn't instantly become true? *NM*
29/09/2009 07:11:03 PM
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Wow - I guess every allegation ever made by a prosecutor is true
29/09/2009 08:09:43 PM
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I guess you believe every criminal who says "I didn't do it".....
29/09/2009 08:18:29 PM
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Nope
29/09/2009 09:14:02 PM
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He admitted it.
29/09/2009 10:45:43 PM
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You don't get it do you?
29/09/2009 11:15:27 PM
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Seriously, are you related to Roman the Rapist?
30/09/2009 01:11:44 AM
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I want to go on record as saying: I really dislike agreeing with you
30/09/2009 05:03:24 AM
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Oh, now Amy's accusing me of being a pedophile, that's just funny
01/10/2009 12:23:53 AM
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Re: Oh, now Amy's accusing me of being a pedophile, that's just funny
01/10/2009 05:55:46 AM
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Honestly Amy, you know nothing whatsoever about my life or why I do things
01/10/2009 04:03:38 PM
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I think you're getting way out of line here, Amy. *NM*
01/10/2009 04:07:59 PM
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I agree, and already said the same once. It appears that was deleted. *NM*
01/10/2009 05:15:07 PM
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I think for the 1st time ever i'm actually stunned by the comments on this board.
29/09/2009 07:14:18 PM
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Oh but he didn't KNOW
29/09/2009 07:17:55 PM
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Ignorance doesn't have to be proven in court
29/09/2009 08:11:31 PM
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no you have back asswards
29/09/2009 08:14:36 PM
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You're talking ethics and then switch to law
29/09/2009 09:17:02 PM
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yes the law can be stupid but not so stupid that you can use the
29/09/2009 10:32:49 PM
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Oh it's EASILY that stupid and even stupider
29/09/2009 10:58:33 PM
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If the girl has to call and ask her mommy if she can stay late you should ask her age
30/09/2009 04:04:33 PM
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He knew her age. The photo-shoot was specifically looking at young girls.
30/09/2009 04:42:01 PM
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I think he's ignoring such trivial details as "that was the specific age being photographed" *NM*
30/09/2009 04:56:10 PM
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Of course he knew he age
30/09/2009 05:01:19 PM
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Obviously - because you say so right?
30/09/2009 11:25:18 PM
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Wow, way to make up 'facts'
30/09/2009 11:23:13 PM
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Way to go for a straw man
29/09/2009 07:45:44 PM
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No one has excused him. But there is no point any longer in going after him.
29/09/2009 08:15:42 PM
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Agreed - I can't believe people are defending this d-bag.....amazing! *NM*
29/09/2009 08:25:05 PM
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well
29/09/2009 08:34:56 PM
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I'm all for the gray and considerin both sides.
29/09/2009 08:45:50 PM
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Ben Franklin once said
29/09/2009 09:30:16 PM
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*snort*
29/09/2009 10:02:13 PM
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I'd say you need to spend more time around lawyers
29/09/2009 10:40:05 PM
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Exactly Nossy
29/09/2009 09:20:14 PM
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I've decided I really don't care about this either way at all.
29/09/2009 08:38:14 PM
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It has an effect on good cinema *NM*
29/09/2009 08:52:58 PM
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There's a lot of misinformation flying around here.
29/09/2009 11:22:29 PM
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That would be more convincing if you didn't have incorrect information yourself.
29/09/2009 11:58:40 PM
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I just worked that out.
30/09/2009 12:07:43 AM
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Re: I just worked that out.
30/09/2009 12:28:13 AM
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In my opinion...
30/09/2009 04:57:44 PM
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Can I just say...
30/09/2009 05:54:47 PM
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The state is also a vicitm
30/09/2009 06:17:22 PM
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Hardly, in this case
30/09/2009 11:57:48 PM
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He drugged and raped her.....please feel free to pass this along..... *NM*
01/10/2009 12:23:49 AM
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you know your arguments would have more merit if you had a clue what your were talking about
01/10/2009 06:24:35 AM
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You should know what you are talking about before you post
01/10/2009 04:18:50 PM
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OK go learn something and then come back
01/10/2009 05:15:45 PM
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I note that you ignore the fact that I just proved you wrong...
01/10/2009 05:27:01 PM
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no you just mistated some crap that I ignored *sigh*
01/10/2009 06:30:03 PM
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Well - there's another accusation of pedophilia for being skeptical of a borked law case
01/10/2009 06:52:08 PM
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The girl and mother requested to cut a deal, so the 13-year old wouldn't have to testify.....
01/10/2009 04:28:49 PM
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This may help some of the argument, but sadly not much
01/10/2009 02:06:22 AM
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It's not just that he admitted to it in the plea bargain.
01/10/2009 03:10:37 AM
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Well this was the first proof I found that he actually did know her age around the court date
01/10/2009 04:16:19 PM
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Yes, looking at him very strangely.....he's jumping the shark big-time on this one!
01/10/2009 04:31:43 PM
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Good news - French government drops support for director Roman Polanski
01/10/2009 04:46:42 PM
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Not only that, but the DA that said he coached the Judge is now claiming he lied to the documentary
01/10/2009 07:26:30 PM
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Well, unless I find some new facts to post - I think I'm done with this thread
01/10/2009 06:59:36 PM
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Re: Well, unless I find some new facts to post - I think I'm done with this thread
01/10/2009 08:41:01 PM
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I agree the attacks on you personally were not warranted and were out of line.
03/10/2009 03:02:03 AM
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