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Re: That is the most rational argument put forth thus far, HOWEVER Dan Send a noteboard - 17/11/2012 08:07:19 PM
Doctors don't go around clubbing terminal stage IV cancer patients in the head like a baby seal either.

THe stage IV cancer patient has just as much chance of survival as that fetus. In fact there is MORE rational for the euthanasia of the cancer patient as at least they can ask to be killed, while the child can not. The death of the mother was NOT a certainty. The death of the child, while extremely likely bordering on certainty, was not a certainty. While the child and mother were alive, the moral obligation of the physicians was to do everything they could to save them BOTH.


Source on the relative chances on the survival of "stage IV cancer" and a 17 week old fetus being miscarried.

Further, there are no analogous situations where one can apply what you said. If a Stage 4, terminal cancer patient's living were putting an otherwise healthy person in immanent mortal danger, AND was not sentient, then your analogy would hold.

So, maybe: two conjoined twins, one of which has inoperable, malignant cancer spread too far but otherwise treatable, that has rendered him comatose, and the other twin has, say, stage 2. And, removing the twins would bisect the organs in such a way as one would have to die for the other to live. In that case, yes, almost every doctor would make the call to euthanize the terminal twin to treat the other twin.

One point of note, Ireland, with its strict no abortion law, has a lower instance of maternal death than England which allows elective abortion.

It is real simple, if you don't like the laws in Ireland, don't live there.


This is what betrays you as an Internet Fuckwit. You had a valid, if specious argument above, but then you go full retard and just spit out useless truisms unrelated to your earlier point. Because you see, Fuckwit, laws can be changed if they're unjust or lead to unjust deaths. Good luck comprehending that.
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woman dies after doctors deny her a life-saving abortion - 14/11/2012 06:58:31 PM 1258 Views
this is so terribly sad. keeping abortions legal is important. *NM* - 14/11/2012 07:09:00 PM 230 Views
Maybe this is more a testament to the quality of care in that hospital than an arguemnt for abortion *NM* - 15/11/2012 01:49:00 PM 243 Views
Can you elaborate? - 16/11/2012 04:07:48 PM 461 Views
Do you have access to her medical charts? - 16/11/2012 08:44:45 PM 465 Views
Statistically speaking... - 15/11/2012 07:03:51 PM 487 Views
Where did you get your statistics from? - 15/11/2012 09:19:29 PM 717 Views
Psst. - 15/11/2012 09:43:35 PM 525 Views
I'm pretty sure his 0.3% figure comes from - 15/11/2012 10:01:29 PM 440 Views
That would certainly change the difference between the numbers. - 15/11/2012 10:07:42 PM 505 Views
Re: Statistically speaking... - 15/11/2012 10:56:35 PM 478 Views
Where's the due process? - 15/11/2012 11:35:39 PM 553 Views
First, prove that the fetus is a "ONE". - 16/11/2012 04:14:34 PM 429 Views
That argument is specious - 16/11/2012 08:36:07 PM 441 Views
But you cannot call another living person an "environment." Only for parasites. - 16/11/2012 10:16:18 PM 414 Views
Yes I can, look up the word environment - 17/11/2012 11:49:55 AM 548 Views
No, I do not accept the risk of pregnancy. - 20/11/2012 01:41:07 PM 422 Views
Re: No, I do not accept the risk of pregnancy. - 20/11/2012 03:59:19 PM 434 Views
well said - 20/11/2012 05:27:11 PM 529 Views
I agree, but it does not matter. - 16/11/2012 08:26:17 PM 428 Views
Win some, lose some - 15/11/2012 11:29:32 PM 585 Views
In other words, if you don't want to die, become a lesbian. *NM* - 16/11/2012 04:16:23 PM 241 Views
stop calling women whores - 16/11/2012 04:55:49 PM 521 Views
Some facts for you - from the article Stephen linked in his reply above, and from general knowledge. - 16/11/2012 09:38:32 PM 569 Views
That is the most rational argument put forth thus far, HOWEVER - 17/11/2012 07:06:58 PM 492 Views
Wow. - 17/11/2012 07:28:23 PM 519 Views
Re: That is the most rational argument put forth thus far, HOWEVER - 17/11/2012 08:07:19 PM 606 Views

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