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I am not debating opinion, you can't debate opinion, I am trying to point out facts. HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 22/11/2012 05:29:24 PM
.. You definately don't construct public policy over it. It would be like debating a law against going outside when it is raining due to the risk of lightning, hitting your left pinkie toe.


Sorry but that is a ludicrous argument. If legalising a fairly simple operation would save, say, ten lives a year, would you oppose it?



The problem is that for every life that it theoretically "saves" a different life is lost. Additionally, it is not really a 1:1 because not every mother would necessarily die, but every single child does.

As I have said over and over again, there is no good absolute solution on this issue, just a bunch of bad ones.
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woman dies after doctors deny her a life-saving abortion moondog - 14/11/2012 06:58:31 PM 1254 Views
this is so terribly sad. keeping abortions legal is important. *NM* temeraire - 14/11/2012 07:09:00 PM 229 Views
Well, I guess to expedite the process of argument and counter-argument, I'll post an article an Stephen - 14/11/2012 07:28:01 PM 531 Views
you're right, i should have posted the actual article instead of an editorial. thanks! moondog - 14/11/2012 08:14:42 PM 687 Views
so terrible... i will never understand how this crap is considered "pro-life." *NM* wolfsister - 15/11/2012 01:15:56 AM 313 Views
I consider myself pro-life, and I completely agree with you. Aemon - 15/11/2012 05:45:41 AM 594 Views
Maybe this is more a testament to the quality of care in that hospital than an arguemnt for abortion *NM* HyogaRott - 15/11/2012 01:49:00 PM 242 Views
Can you elaborate? Aeryn - 16/11/2012 04:07:48 PM 454 Views
Do you have access to her medical charts? HyogaRott - 16/11/2012 08:44:45 PM 462 Views
The infection was from the fetus inside of her. That is not disputed. Aeryn - 16/11/2012 10:14:52 PM 418 Views
This wasn't pro-life, but more a case of anti-thinking Jeordam - 15/11/2012 06:28:55 PM 490 Views
but the pro-life (or anti-abortion) argument was the reason they gave for not allowing an abortion moondog - 15/11/2012 10:00:14 PM 562 Views
Once you know for certain that the mother is dying, it is too late. Aeryn - 16/11/2012 04:11:25 PM 468 Views
Statistically speaking... HyogaRott - 15/11/2012 07:03:51 PM 481 Views
Where did you get your statistics from? TheCrownless - 15/11/2012 09:19:29 PM 710 Views
Psst. Nate - 15/11/2012 09:43:35 PM 519 Views
I'm pretty sure his 0.3% figure comes from TheCrownless - 15/11/2012 10:01:29 PM 435 Views
That would certainly change the difference between the numbers. Nate - 15/11/2012 10:07:42 PM 499 Views
Re: Statistically speaking... HyogaRott - 15/11/2012 10:56:35 PM 470 Views
Where's the due process? Cannoli - 15/11/2012 11:35:39 PM 547 Views
First, prove that the fetus is a "ONE". Aeryn - 16/11/2012 04:14:34 PM 421 Views
That argument is specious HyogaRott - 16/11/2012 08:36:07 PM 437 Views
But you cannot call another living person an "environment." Only for parasites. Aeryn - 16/11/2012 10:16:18 PM 410 Views
Yes I can, look up the word environment HyogaRott - 17/11/2012 11:49:55 AM 542 Views
No, I do not accept the risk of pregnancy. Aeryn - 20/11/2012 01:41:07 PM 415 Views
Re: No, I do not accept the risk of pregnancy. HyogaRott - 20/11/2012 03:59:19 PM 427 Views
well said Yunalesca - 20/11/2012 05:27:11 PM 525 Views
I agree, but it does not matter. HyogaRott - 16/11/2012 08:26:17 PM 423 Views
Win some, lose some Cannoli - 15/11/2012 11:29:32 PM 578 Views
In other words, if you don't want to die, become a lesbian. *NM* Aeryn - 16/11/2012 04:16:23 PM 239 Views
stop calling women whores Yunalesca - 16/11/2012 04:55:49 PM 512 Views
Some facts for you - from the article Stephen linked in his reply above, and from general knowledge. Rebekah - 16/11/2012 09:38:32 PM 562 Views
That is the most rational argument put forth thus far, HOWEVER HyogaRott - 17/11/2012 07:06:58 PM 484 Views
Wow. Legolas - 17/11/2012 07:28:23 PM 509 Views
Nah, I don't *try* to insult anyone (most of the time) , though I seem to do so fairly regularly. *NM* HyogaRott - 18/11/2012 07:41:43 PM 244 Views
Re: That is the most rational argument put forth thus far, HOWEVER Dan - 17/11/2012 08:07:19 PM 596 Views
Nice decision to turn to insults. Print out your post and let it join your head, up your ass. HyogaRott - 18/11/2012 07:50:18 PM 502 Views
The difference between Ireland and the UK is about 0.006% TheCrownless - 17/11/2012 08:31:45 PM 530 Views
It illustrates that the "life of the mother" argument is rare to the point of irrelevance. *NM* HyogaRott - 18/11/2012 07:45:36 PM 236 Views
And yet this case makes it irrefutably relevant. *NM* Stephen - 20/11/2012 05:18:23 PM 217 Views
No, it really does not. Because the situation is so rare as to not be worth even discussing... HyogaRott - 21/11/2012 03:24:01 PM 425 Views
In your opinion - in mine, and I suspect others here, it is not. snoopcester - 22/11/2012 12:03:20 AM 471 Views
I am not debating opinion, you can't debate opinion, I am trying to point out facts. HyogaRott - 22/11/2012 05:29:24 PM 411 Views
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