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Pissed off people.... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 12/12/2012 06:16:49 PM
i'd say pissing off the single industry that employs pretty much everyone who works for a living in michigan can hardly be described as a great thing.


Tend to do foolish things. And when they do, they can be held responsible for their activities. If these people don't show up to work, they get to be no longer employeed. In a state where unemployment is so high, I'm guessing there are those out there who would take the work.

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Congrats to Michigan - The Newest Right to Work State! Anonymous2000 - 12/12/2012 04:59:29 AM 1460 Views
It's great that they were able to do it. Tom - 12/12/2012 02:45:39 PM 787 Views
I just think it's so... odd... that people don't realize things constantly evolve. beetnemesis - 12/12/2012 05:18:11 PM 735 Views
Isn't this a symptom of evolution? Jeordam - 12/12/2012 06:12:36 PM 772 Views
we also don't need unions to keep people on the job who are bad at it..... moondog - 12/12/2012 06:20:22 PM 765 Views
Unions are all about protecting underperforming workers and the union leadership. Anonymous2000 - 12/12/2012 06:37:41 PM 713 Views
Dude, that's insane. beetnemesis - 12/12/2012 06:58:42 PM 763 Views
That's a bit naive. And instead of evolution, I should have said "ever-changing" beetnemesis - 12/12/2012 06:55:41 PM 656 Views
No, big companies aren't all of a sudden altruistic... Jeordam - 12/12/2012 07:33:16 PM 713 Views
your three examples are of employers demanding workers do more for less moondog - 12/12/2012 07:41:12 PM 809 Views
The good and the bad of unions: Narg - 12/12/2012 10:33:46 PM 894 Views
Double post. Narg - 12/12/2012 10:33:50 PM 973 Views
Ok...employeers demanding people to do more for less. Jeordam - 13/12/2012 10:56:32 PM 715 Views
the point was that the union did not strike, the workers were prevented from working by management moondog - 13/12/2012 11:25:07 PM 740 Views
Yes, and if there was not a union... beetnemesis - 13/12/2012 04:56:57 AM 724 Views
What are the downsides of Unions? *NM* Narg - 12/12/2012 10:30:17 PM 440 Views
What are the upsides for anyone BUT unions? Cannoli - 13/12/2012 11:58:23 PM 802 Views
the answer to the political influence is hard campaign contribution limits from individuals only moondog - 14/12/2012 12:27:57 AM 689 Views
Cannoli - 19/12/2012 01:33:13 AM 913 Views
I was hoping to hear what a union supporter recognizes as flaws of unions. Narg - 14/12/2012 08:55:46 PM 817 Views
I'll tell you what my perceptions are.... Jeordam - 14/12/2012 09:30:33 PM 841 Views
one point i need to address here: moondog - 14/12/2012 10:09:24 PM 654 Views
Re: I was hoping to hear what a union supporter recognizes as flaws of unions. moondog - 14/12/2012 10:07:39 PM 608 Views
Sorry, didn't realize this was addressed to me. Sure, ok: beetnemesis - 15/12/2012 05:14:57 AM 881 Views
it's great? moondog - 12/12/2012 05:29:00 PM 740 Views
Pissed off people.... Jeordam - 12/12/2012 06:16:49 PM 659 Views
again, what industry will those people looking for work go to in michigan? moondog - 12/12/2012 06:23:47 PM 782 Views
This used to be the case, but no longer. ranagrande - 12/12/2012 06:34:01 PM 638 Views
but that's my point exactly moondog - 12/12/2012 06:40:20 PM 704 Views
Which industry are you refering to? *NM* Isaac - 12/12/2012 06:23:55 PM 369 Views
As a native Michigander, I can tell you it's great. ranagrande - 12/12/2012 06:26:53 PM 678 Views
+1 - This is going to help bring jobs to MI and benefit the auto industry. Anonymous2000 - 12/12/2012 06:33:43 PM 672 Views
unions still aren't the problem in michigan, it's reliance on a single industry as the main employer moondog - 12/12/2012 06:37:44 PM 653 Views
Michigan is one of the fastest growing areas for the tech industry. Michigan is starting to expand. everynametaken - 19/12/2012 03:28:18 AM 837 Views
So let me get this straight. Dannymac - 13/12/2012 03:54:14 PM 745 Views
Yes, it's a good thing, a very, very good thing! Anonymous2000 - 13/12/2012 05:45:43 PM 691 Views
no "right to work" in MO, MT, CO, NM, KY, WV, OH, MA, NY, DE, MN, WI, PA, OR, WA, HI, AK, MD moondog - 13/12/2012 06:56:17 PM 723 Views
Just to play devil's advocate... Tom - 13/12/2012 09:12:02 PM 694 Views
That would be an interesting study... Jeordam - 13/12/2012 09:51:21 PM 678 Views
Re: Just to play devil's advocate... moondog - 13/12/2012 09:57:07 PM 633 Views
I, for one, stipulate that you are correct. Jeordam - 13/12/2012 10:06:34 PM 723 Views
Re: I, for one, stipulate that you are correct. moondog - 13/12/2012 10:18:27 PM 698 Views
How is that wrong? Jeordam - 13/12/2012 10:52:24 PM 658 Views
it's wrong because it ultimately drives down *all* workers' pay, not just the unions moondog - 13/12/2012 11:26:00 PM 693 Views
Your argument is completely fallacious. Tom - 14/12/2012 04:17:58 AM 673 Views
A brilliant argument... Dannymac - 14/12/2012 07:23:53 AM 755 Views
You are assuming that business owners do not value "on the job" experience Orange - 14/12/2012 09:03:35 AM 801 Views
Your hypothetical doesn't stand up in the real world, however. Tom - 14/12/2012 02:46:23 PM 731 Views
the only reason unions are obsolete is because republicans don't want them supporting dems moondog - 14/12/2012 06:43:56 PM 669 Views
Unions being obsolete has almost nothing to do with internal American politics Tom - 14/12/2012 07:10:38 PM 611 Views
i would disagree, at least with respect to the spate of "right to work" laws being pushed through moondog - 14/12/2012 07:32:26 PM 683 Views
Unions aren't going to help rein in CEO pay or corporate profits. Tom - 14/12/2012 10:48:51 PM 673 Views
i'll take you one further.... moondog - 14/12/2012 11:24:26 PM 613 Views
I have suggested that before Tom - 15/12/2012 02:31:07 PM 660 Views
so you did. sorry about that! moondog - 15/12/2012 03:59:16 PM 635 Views
So to work with your thoughts (regarding the Romans) Jeordam - 14/12/2012 06:07:06 PM 666 Views
funny thing about that..... moondog - 14/12/2012 07:25:50 PM 602 Views
And so what if they are all shit jobs with substandard pay! Dannymac - 14/12/2012 07:08:41 AM 691 Views
What do you want me to say? Jeordam - 14/12/2012 05:58:45 PM 794 Views
And so the destruction of the Middle Class continues. *NM* Dannymac - 13/12/2012 03:43:36 PM 353 Views
The unions already destroyed the middle class..... Anonymous2000 - 13/12/2012 05:46:56 PM 709 Views
Do you really not understand why unions existed in the first place? Dannymac - 14/12/2012 06:55:27 AM 636 Views
Why they first existed is not in issue. It is if they STILL serve a useful or detrimental purpose. HyogaRott - 14/12/2012 03:00:48 PM 694 Views
Yeah, moron! What is wrong with you, that you do not blindly accept his underlying premise? Cannoli - 19/12/2012 01:35:37 AM 1018 Views
Damn, I agree with Anonymous2000. callandor1000 - 14/12/2012 04:29:36 AM 731 Views
This must be a trying time for you. Dannymac - 14/12/2012 07:06:56 AM 682 Views
Callandor sees the light, perhaps it's time for you as well! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 14/12/2012 02:08:47 PM 319 Views
HOW they are doing it..is bullshit Amyrlin - 13/12/2012 06:33:09 PM 830 Views
How? Residents of MI elected a Republican legislature and Governor..... Anonymous2000 - 13/12/2012 09:25:43 PM 654 Views
You have the right to work, not the right to vote in an election as you see fit and keep your job. *NM* heartbreak - 15/12/2012 03:23:13 AM 407 Views
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