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So let me get this straight. Dannymac Send a noteboard - 13/12/2012 03:54:14 PM
i'd say pissing off the single industry that employs pretty much everyone who works for a living in michigan can hardly be described as a great thing.

A few years ago, Toyota wanted to open up a new factory in Michigan. It was going to bring in about two thousand jobs. Then negotiations with the UAW fell through, so they built it in Mississippi (a right to work state) instead.

As others have said, unions had an important place in the history of our nation and our state, but their time has come and gone.


The UAW (which wants its members hired) negotiates for a reasonable wage. Toyota says "screw that" and sends the factory to a state where unions can't enforce that sort of thing, to a state so depressed that people will take the jobs for whatever they can get.

Adding Michigan to that list of states is a good thing? "Whew, so glad our workers now have to take whatever wages management feels like paying them!"

Yeah, a real good thing for your state. I'm sure the auto executives (always paragons of fair play to the common man) will take great care of your workers.
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Congrats to Michigan - The Newest Right to Work State! - 12/12/2012 04:59:29 AM 1460 Views
It's great that they were able to do it. - 12/12/2012 02:45:39 PM 787 Views
I just think it's so... odd... that people don't realize things constantly evolve. - 12/12/2012 05:18:11 PM 735 Views
Isn't this a symptom of evolution? - 12/12/2012 06:12:36 PM 772 Views
we also don't need unions to keep people on the job who are bad at it..... - 12/12/2012 06:20:22 PM 766 Views
Unions are all about protecting underperforming workers and the union leadership. - 12/12/2012 06:37:41 PM 713 Views
Dude, that's insane. - 12/12/2012 06:58:42 PM 763 Views
That's a bit naive. And instead of evolution, I should have said "ever-changing" - 12/12/2012 06:55:41 PM 656 Views
No, big companies aren't all of a sudden altruistic... - 12/12/2012 07:33:16 PM 713 Views
your three examples are of employers demanding workers do more for less - 12/12/2012 07:41:12 PM 809 Views
The good and the bad of unions: - 12/12/2012 10:33:46 PM 894 Views
Double post. - 12/12/2012 10:33:50 PM 973 Views
Yes, and if there was not a union... - 13/12/2012 04:56:57 AM 726 Views
What are the downsides of Unions? *NM* - 12/12/2012 10:30:17 PM 440 Views
What are the upsides for anyone BUT unions? - 13/12/2012 11:58:23 PM 802 Views
the answer to the political influence is hard campaign contribution limits from individuals only - 14/12/2012 12:27:57 AM 690 Views
- 19/12/2012 01:33:13 AM 913 Views
I was hoping to hear what a union supporter recognizes as flaws of unions. - 14/12/2012 08:55:46 PM 817 Views
I'll tell you what my perceptions are.... - 14/12/2012 09:30:33 PM 843 Views
one point i need to address here: - 14/12/2012 10:09:24 PM 654 Views
Sorry, didn't realize this was addressed to me. Sure, ok: - 15/12/2012 05:14:57 AM 881 Views
it's great? - 12/12/2012 05:29:00 PM 740 Views
Pissed off people.... - 12/12/2012 06:16:49 PM 660 Views
again, what industry will those people looking for work go to in michigan? - 12/12/2012 06:23:47 PM 782 Views
This used to be the case, but no longer. - 12/12/2012 06:34:01 PM 638 Views
but that's my point exactly - 12/12/2012 06:40:20 PM 704 Views
Which industry are you refering to? *NM* - 12/12/2012 06:23:55 PM 369 Views
As a native Michigander, I can tell you it's great. - 12/12/2012 06:26:53 PM 678 Views
+1 - This is going to help bring jobs to MI and benefit the auto industry. - 12/12/2012 06:33:43 PM 672 Views
So let me get this straight. - 13/12/2012 03:54:14 PM 746 Views
Yes, it's a good thing, a very, very good thing! - 13/12/2012 05:45:43 PM 692 Views
no "right to work" in MO, MT, CO, NM, KY, WV, OH, MA, NY, DE, MN, WI, PA, OR, WA, HI, AK, MD - 13/12/2012 06:56:17 PM 723 Views
Just to play devil's advocate... - 13/12/2012 09:12:02 PM 694 Views
That would be an interesting study... - 13/12/2012 09:51:21 PM 678 Views
Re: Just to play devil's advocate... - 13/12/2012 09:57:07 PM 635 Views
I, for one, stipulate that you are correct. - 13/12/2012 10:06:34 PM 724 Views
Re: I, for one, stipulate that you are correct. - 13/12/2012 10:18:27 PM 698 Views
How is that wrong? - 13/12/2012 10:52:24 PM 658 Views
it's wrong because it ultimately drives down *all* workers' pay, not just the unions - 13/12/2012 11:26:00 PM 694 Views
Your argument is completely fallacious. - 14/12/2012 04:17:58 AM 673 Views
A brilliant argument... - 14/12/2012 07:23:53 AM 755 Views
the only reason unions are obsolete is because republicans don't want them supporting dems - 14/12/2012 06:43:56 PM 669 Views
Unions being obsolete has almost nothing to do with internal American politics - 14/12/2012 07:10:38 PM 611 Views
i would disagree, at least with respect to the spate of "right to work" laws being pushed through - 14/12/2012 07:32:26 PM 683 Views
Unions aren't going to help rein in CEO pay or corporate profits. - 14/12/2012 10:48:51 PM 673 Views
i'll take you one further.... - 14/12/2012 11:24:26 PM 614 Views
I have suggested that before - 15/12/2012 02:31:07 PM 660 Views
so you did. sorry about that! - 15/12/2012 03:59:16 PM 635 Views
So to work with your thoughts (regarding the Romans) - 14/12/2012 06:07:06 PM 667 Views
funny thing about that..... - 14/12/2012 07:25:50 PM 602 Views
And so what if they are all shit jobs with substandard pay! - 14/12/2012 07:08:41 AM 691 Views
What do you want me to say? - 14/12/2012 05:58:45 PM 794 Views
And so the destruction of the Middle Class continues. *NM* - 13/12/2012 03:43:36 PM 353 Views
Damn, I agree with Anonymous2000. - 14/12/2012 04:29:36 AM 731 Views
This must be a trying time for you. - 14/12/2012 07:06:56 AM 682 Views
Callandor sees the light, perhaps it's time for you as well! *NM* - 14/12/2012 02:08:47 PM 319 Views
HOW they are doing it..is bullshit - 13/12/2012 06:33:09 PM 830 Views
How? Residents of MI elected a Republican legislature and Governor..... - 13/12/2012 09:25:43 PM 654 Views

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