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i'll take you one further.... moondog Send a noteboard - 14/12/2012 11:24:26 PM
Eliminate all taxes on dividends to individuals to encourage investment in companies with strong fundamentals and you'll see shareholders start to care about corporate governance because they'll be owners for more than 15 minutes.


give workers a share of dividends and see how that changes the direction of board decisions in these companies. you'd be producing workers with an actual vested interest in their company, and a management team which has to literally answer to their workers when they want to give themselves bonuses for losing tens of millions of dollars every year.
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Congrats to Michigan - The Newest Right to Work State! Anonymous2000 - 12/12/2012 04:59:29 AM 1703 Views
It's great that they were able to do it. Tom - 12/12/2012 02:45:39 PM 994 Views
I just think it's so... odd... that people don't realize things constantly evolve. beetnemesis - 12/12/2012 05:18:11 PM 932 Views
Isn't this a symptom of evolution? Jeordam - 12/12/2012 06:12:36 PM 985 Views
we also don't need unions to keep people on the job who are bad at it..... moondog - 12/12/2012 06:20:22 PM 962 Views
Unions are all about protecting underperforming workers and the union leadership. Anonymous2000 - 12/12/2012 06:37:41 PM 936 Views
Dude, that's insane. beetnemesis - 12/12/2012 06:58:42 PM 966 Views
That's a bit naive. And instead of evolution, I should have said "ever-changing" beetnemesis - 12/12/2012 06:55:41 PM 859 Views
No, big companies aren't all of a sudden altruistic... Jeordam - 12/12/2012 07:33:16 PM 923 Views
your three examples are of employers demanding workers do more for less moondog - 12/12/2012 07:41:12 PM 1018 Views
The good and the bad of unions: Narg - 12/12/2012 10:33:46 PM 1117 Views
Double post. Narg - 12/12/2012 10:33:50 PM 1238 Views
Ok...employeers demanding people to do more for less. Jeordam - 13/12/2012 10:56:32 PM 951 Views
the point was that the union did not strike, the workers were prevented from working by management moondog - 13/12/2012 11:25:07 PM 995 Views
Yes, and if there was not a union... beetnemesis - 13/12/2012 04:56:57 AM 936 Views
What are the downsides of Unions? *NM* Narg - 12/12/2012 10:30:17 PM 555 Views
What are the upsides for anyone BUT unions? Cannoli - 13/12/2012 11:58:23 PM 983 Views
the answer to the political influence is hard campaign contribution limits from individuals only moondog - 14/12/2012 12:27:57 AM 923 Views
Cannoli - 19/12/2012 01:33:13 AM 1144 Views
I was hoping to hear what a union supporter recognizes as flaws of unions. Narg - 14/12/2012 08:55:46 PM 1028 Views
I'll tell you what my perceptions are.... Jeordam - 14/12/2012 09:30:33 PM 1082 Views
one point i need to address here: moondog - 14/12/2012 10:09:24 PM 943 Views
Re: I was hoping to hear what a union supporter recognizes as flaws of unions. moondog - 14/12/2012 10:07:39 PM 857 Views
Sorry, didn't realize this was addressed to me. Sure, ok: beetnemesis - 15/12/2012 05:14:57 AM 1083 Views
it's great? moondog - 12/12/2012 05:29:00 PM 937 Views
Pissed off people.... Jeordam - 12/12/2012 06:16:49 PM 862 Views
again, what industry will those people looking for work go to in michigan? moondog - 12/12/2012 06:23:47 PM 984 Views
This used to be the case, but no longer. ranagrande - 12/12/2012 06:34:01 PM 875 Views
but that's my point exactly moondog - 12/12/2012 06:40:20 PM 925 Views
Which industry are you refering to? *NM* Isaac - 12/12/2012 06:23:55 PM 467 Views
As a native Michigander, I can tell you it's great. ranagrande - 12/12/2012 06:26:53 PM 869 Views
+1 - This is going to help bring jobs to MI and benefit the auto industry. Anonymous2000 - 12/12/2012 06:33:43 PM 904 Views
unions still aren't the problem in michigan, it's reliance on a single industry as the main employer moondog - 12/12/2012 06:37:44 PM 864 Views
Michigan is one of the fastest growing areas for the tech industry. Michigan is starting to expand. everynametaken - 19/12/2012 03:28:18 AM 1058 Views
So let me get this straight. Dannymac - 13/12/2012 03:54:14 PM 952 Views
Yes, it's a good thing, a very, very good thing! Anonymous2000 - 13/12/2012 05:45:43 PM 907 Views
no "right to work" in MO, MT, CO, NM, KY, WV, OH, MA, NY, DE, MN, WI, PA, OR, WA, HI, AK, MD moondog - 13/12/2012 06:56:17 PM 925 Views
Just to play devil's advocate... Tom - 13/12/2012 09:12:02 PM 905 Views
That would be an interesting study... Jeordam - 13/12/2012 09:51:21 PM 877 Views
Re: Just to play devil's advocate... moondog - 13/12/2012 09:57:07 PM 852 Views
I, for one, stipulate that you are correct. Jeordam - 13/12/2012 10:06:34 PM 956 Views
Re: I, for one, stipulate that you are correct. moondog - 13/12/2012 10:18:27 PM 947 Views
How is that wrong? Jeordam - 13/12/2012 10:52:24 PM 870 Views
it's wrong because it ultimately drives down *all* workers' pay, not just the unions moondog - 13/12/2012 11:26:00 PM 897 Views
Your argument is completely fallacious. Tom - 14/12/2012 04:17:58 AM 901 Views
A brilliant argument... Dannymac - 14/12/2012 07:23:53 AM 968 Views
You are assuming that business owners do not value "on the job" experience Orange - 14/12/2012 09:03:35 AM 1075 Views
Your hypothetical doesn't stand up in the real world, however. Tom - 14/12/2012 02:46:23 PM 950 Views
the only reason unions are obsolete is because republicans don't want them supporting dems moondog - 14/12/2012 06:43:56 PM 889 Views
Unions being obsolete has almost nothing to do with internal American politics Tom - 14/12/2012 07:10:38 PM 794 Views
i would disagree, at least with respect to the spate of "right to work" laws being pushed through moondog - 14/12/2012 07:32:26 PM 891 Views
Unions aren't going to help rein in CEO pay or corporate profits. Tom - 14/12/2012 10:48:51 PM 875 Views
i'll take you one further.... moondog - 14/12/2012 11:24:26 PM 840 Views
I have suggested that before Tom - 15/12/2012 02:31:07 PM 870 Views
so you did. sorry about that! moondog - 15/12/2012 03:59:16 PM 868 Views
So to work with your thoughts (regarding the Romans) Jeordam - 14/12/2012 06:07:06 PM 895 Views
funny thing about that..... moondog - 14/12/2012 07:25:50 PM 839 Views
And so what if they are all shit jobs with substandard pay! Dannymac - 14/12/2012 07:08:41 AM 904 Views
What do you want me to say? Jeordam - 14/12/2012 05:58:45 PM 986 Views
And so the destruction of the Middle Class continues. *NM* Dannymac - 13/12/2012 03:43:36 PM 451 Views
The unions already destroyed the middle class..... Anonymous2000 - 13/12/2012 05:46:56 PM 907 Views
Do you really not understand why unions existed in the first place? Dannymac - 14/12/2012 06:55:27 AM 825 Views
Why they first existed is not in issue. It is if they STILL serve a useful or detrimental purpose. HyogaRott - 14/12/2012 03:00:48 PM 910 Views
Yeah, moron! What is wrong with you, that you do not blindly accept his underlying premise? Cannoli - 19/12/2012 01:35:37 AM 1244 Views
Damn, I agree with Anonymous2000. callandor1000 - 14/12/2012 04:29:36 AM 926 Views
This must be a trying time for you. Dannymac - 14/12/2012 07:06:56 AM 886 Views
Callandor sees the light, perhaps it's time for you as well! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 14/12/2012 02:08:47 PM 428 Views
HOW they are doing it..is bullshit Amyrlin - 13/12/2012 06:33:09 PM 1056 Views
How? Residents of MI elected a Republican legislature and Governor..... Anonymous2000 - 13/12/2012 09:25:43 PM 887 Views
You have the right to work, not the right to vote in an election as you see fit and keep your job. *NM* heartbreak - 15/12/2012 03:23:13 AM 501 Views
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