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What is public safety worth to you? Joel Send a noteboard - 23/12/2012 12:54:04 AM
cost would be the main one. I don't know how many schools there are in the US, but having at least one armed police officer at every one? You're talking billions at the very least.

and we have to pay them something on the order of $40k per year or else it will be hard to find someone to do the job. and probably give them benefits.... etc etc. billions is probably about right.

How much would it cost to implement a national program to screen, train and certify all gun owners? How much would it cost to confiscate all guns? There is nearly a 1:1 ratio of guns to people in America; controlling access to all of them will be expensive HOWEVER we do it. That does not deter gun control supporters from advocating other expensive approaches, so why is it suddenly so objectionable?

I am sorry, but gun control advocates raising cost objections to a reasonable NRA proposal that would significantly increase public safety is no more credible than the NRA raising cost objections to screening, training and certification requirements. Neither them objects to doing it because they do not wish to pay for it: They object to paying for it because they do not wish to do it. Meanwhile, innocent people continue being shot because one side wants to ban all guns, the other wants all guns available on demand, and 90% of the country rightly refuses to support either irrational policy.
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the NRA shows it is an asylum overrun by lunatics moondog - 22/12/2012 04:40:26 PM 1281 Views
I do not see why calling for armed cops at schools is an unreasonable response. Joel - 22/12/2012 04:53:06 PM 802 Views
I can think of two reasons off the top of my head beetnemesis - 22/12/2012 05:38:19 PM 830 Views
OK... Joel - 22/12/2012 06:58:42 PM 803 Views
If the schools that the children of our elected representatives attend are gaurded, so should mine. HyogaRott - 26/12/2012 03:00:35 PM 619 Views
If someone is shooting at you having a gun to shoot back seems like a good idea random thoughts - 26/12/2012 06:10:07 PM 642 Views
The effectiveness issue aside TheCrownless - 22/12/2012 06:13:30 PM 688 Views
Re: The effectiveness issue aside Joel - 22/12/2012 06:59:36 PM 787 Views
If you think it would solve the debate then probably TheCrownless - 22/12/2012 07:09:42 PM 746 Views
Nothing will ever truly end the debate, but we can greatly reduce or end its justification. Joel - 22/12/2012 08:03:39 PM 707 Views
If it's shown to work TheCrownless - 23/12/2012 12:25:38 AM 791 Views
Of the many school shootings in recent years, I am aware of none where armed cops were present. Joel - 23/12/2012 12:47:32 AM 714 Views
columbine had two armed guards on the day of the shooting. they were both immediately fired upon... moondog - 23/12/2012 12:49:30 AM 677 Views
I have never seen any mention of them among the injured or dead (or at all.) Joel - 23/12/2012 01:09:38 AM 830 Views
you should try harder moondog - 23/12/2012 01:15:34 AM 850 Views
"a motorcycle patrolman who was near the school writing a speeding ticket" is not stationed there. Joel - 23/12/2012 01:34:50 AM 789 Views
he still didn't stop the shooting, whether he was there before or after it started moondog - 23/12/2012 01:49:24 AM 799 Views
No kidding; how could he stop the shooting before it started if he was not there? Joel - 23/12/2012 02:16:59 AM 635 Views
A fuller account of Gardner snoopcester - 23/12/2012 10:27:24 AM 895 Views
Nice link. Joel - 23/12/2012 02:27:30 PM 673 Views
Re: Nice link. moondog - 23/12/2012 03:15:24 PM 656 Views
Inexplicably, Ft. Hood was a gun free zone (guess no one told the shooter.) Joel - 26/12/2012 06:12:42 PM 669 Views
Re: Nice link. snoopcester - 23/12/2012 04:21:27 PM 661 Views
Gardner:If you’re going to put a police officer in a school, make sure his focus stays on the school Joel - 26/12/2012 06:40:41 PM 695 Views
The children are what matter, not the school. Surely this isn't something you disagree on? snoopcester - 29/12/2012 02:15:12 PM 724 Views
As usual Moondog, you are missing a BUNCH of facts on this one (links inside) HyogaRott - 26/12/2012 07:51:29 PM 796 Views
at last count, over 99,000 schools in the US moondog - 23/12/2012 12:45:30 AM 751 Views
What is public safety worth to you? Joel - 23/12/2012 12:54:04 AM 661 Views
it's not entirely a matter of cost, although that factors into it. moondog - 23/12/2012 01:01:50 AM 596 Views
There are many cases where armed cops ended mass shootings. Joel - 23/12/2012 01:28:25 AM 587 Views
there are none where an armed guard placed there *before* the shooting had any effect moondog - 23/12/2012 01:36:42 AM 734 Views
Kind of a Catch-22; if they PREVENT shootings, shootings can only occur in their absence. Joel - 23/12/2012 01:52:03 AM 786 Views
ok, here is my last word on the subject moondog - 23/12/2012 02:06:49 AM 725 Views
9 people injured vs. 20 people dead. Joel - 23/12/2012 02:34:00 AM 636 Views
it is still "more guns makes us safer" which has yet to prevent a single massacre in this country moondog - 23/12/2012 02:41:56 PM 760 Views
Peter Odighizuwa comes to mind, that's also horrible logic Isaac - 23/12/2012 08:27:46 PM 647 Views
[citation needed] moondog - 25/12/2012 04:54:14 PM 638 Views
Fair enough Isaac - 25/12/2012 09:06:43 PM 1017 Views
Care to prove that negative? The burden to do so is on you as the person who made the assertion. Joel - 26/12/2012 06:47:07 PM 628 Views
It doesn't have to be a full time gaurd standing looking dangerous. random thoughts - 26/12/2012 06:12:14 PM 748 Views
Re: the NRA shows it is an asylum overrun by lunatics Novo - 22/12/2012 06:36:32 PM 833 Views
I believe it is fairly common in junior and high schools today, but not elementary schools. Joel - 22/12/2012 07:12:32 PM 660 Views
This entire post is completely irrelevant. Tom - 22/12/2012 07:27:45 PM 780 Views
Those who want univeral prohibition/access are equally fringe minorities. Joel - 22/12/2012 08:18:00 PM 729 Views
there is no Left or Right on this issue, there is only Sane and Insane moondog - 23/12/2012 12:59:08 AM 750 Views
also: it's insulting to tell parents their kids would be alive if only more guns were around moondog - 23/12/2012 01:30:53 AM 688 Views
People die from all sort of causes Dark Knight - 22/12/2012 07:27:53 PM 721 Views
Cars require training, certification and licensing, too; why should guns not? Joel - 22/12/2012 08:25:43 PM 852 Views
Do bombs require certification? Dark Knight - 22/12/2012 09:21:25 PM 942 Views
No, they are pretty much illegal for the general public under all conditions. Joel - 22/12/2012 09:35:35 PM 618 Views
i say this with all due respect -- eat a bag of dicks moondog - 23/12/2012 01:04:08 AM 737 Views
That was pretty damn respectful under the circumstances. Stephen - 23/12/2012 01:10:04 AM 689 Views
The lack of intellect displayed here is to be expected Dark Knight - 23/12/2012 04:01:32 AM 713 Views
so according to you we should just make life illegal since everyone is going to die from something.. moondog - 23/12/2012 07:25:05 AM 629 Views
Obviously you didn't put pay attention Dark Knight - 23/12/2012 01:40:17 PM 670 Views
no, you said "fuck it because people die anyway". there is a big difference moondog - 23/12/2012 02:46:46 PM 640 Views
As usual, you are wrong on so many fronts... HyogaRott - 27/12/2012 10:39:04 PM 958 Views
Dicks and stones Dark Knight - 23/12/2012 03:54:25 AM 845 Views
FYI - I gave moondog a 30-day time-out via the ignore function. Anonymous2000 - 23/12/2012 05:48:13 AM 581 Views
FYI -- you didn't post to this board for 30+ days moondog - 23/12/2012 07:21:44 AM 586 Views
cars and guns kill roughly the same number of people every year -- around 30,000 give or take moondog - 23/12/2012 01:02:44 AM 688 Views
But over half of gun deaths are suicide.....so cars are much more dangerous to society. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 23/12/2012 05:35:45 AM 300 Views
Every year is iffy there, it dropped off the last two, was 40k-50k plus for cars since 1962 Isaac - 23/12/2012 11:55:50 AM 644 Views
except that cars are legislated to be safer every year, guns aren't. moondog - 23/12/2012 03:01:36 PM 690 Views
Guns are for killing, cars are for transport, cars aren't any safer now against use for homicide Isaac - 23/12/2012 08:22:13 PM 631 Views
but if we are trying to minimize the number of deaths, then more MUST be done for gun laws moondog - 24/12/2012 03:33:31 AM 608 Views
More must be done to minimize, not necessarily with greater regulation Isaac - 24/12/2012 04:27:04 AM 721 Views
Re: More must be done to minimize, not necessarily with greater regulation moondog - 25/12/2012 04:49:54 PM 685 Views
Re: More must be done to minimize, not necessarily with greater regulation Isaac - 25/12/2012 08:41:53 PM 660 Views
Double *NM* Isaac - 23/12/2012 11:55:50 AM 356 Views
Hat trick, never got that before *NM* Isaac - 23/12/2012 11:56:08 AM 317 Views
Here is some interesting data.....knives are as dangerous as "non-handguns" Anonymous2000 - 23/12/2012 05:45:08 AM 745 Views
I hope you don't mind me taking this opportunity to plug my new book, "How to Cook with Guns" *NM* Burr - 23/12/2012 03:04:06 PM 372 Views
there was a school mass stabbing in china the same day as sandy hook moondog - 23/12/2012 03:18:00 PM 679 Views
I am equally happy that the criminal was incompetant, but that does not diminish their lethality HyogaRott - 27/12/2012 10:45:33 PM 734 Views
I'm not sure it's about guns. Orange - 23/12/2012 06:08:50 PM 665 Views
IMO it is about the media attention focuised on the perpetrator. Their name becomes history. *NM* HyogaRott - 27/12/2012 10:47:15 PM 350 Views
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