On April 20, however, Deputy Gardner and campus supervisor Andy Marton, an unarmed school security officer employed by the school district, were eating lunch in Gardner’s patrol car. They were monitoring students in the “Smokers’ Pit,” a spot just to the northwest of campus in Clement Park where the students congregated to smoke cigarettes.
So the problem was he as looking after the wrong group of students - perhaps a problem that could occur when guarding any school that is sizeable, in particular if it is spread over a large area?
*MySmiley*
Robert Graves "There is no money in poetry, but then there is no poetry in money, either."
Henning Mankell "We must defend the open society, because if we start locking our doors, if we let fear decide, the person who committed the act of terror will win"
Robert Graves "There is no money in poetry, but then there is no poetry in money, either."
Henning Mankell "We must defend the open society, because if we start locking our doors, if we let fear decide, the person who committed the act of terror will win"
the NRA shows it is an asylum overrun by lunatics
- 22/12/2012 04:40:26 PM
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I do not see why calling for armed cops at schools is an unreasonable response.
- 22/12/2012 04:53:06 PM
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I can think of two reasons off the top of my head
- 22/12/2012 05:38:19 PM
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If the schools that the children of our elected representatives attend are gaurded, so should mine.
- 26/12/2012 03:00:35 PM
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If someone is shooting at you having a gun to shoot back seems like a good idea
- 26/12/2012 06:10:07 PM
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The effectiveness issue aside
- 22/12/2012 06:13:30 PM
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Re: The effectiveness issue aside
- 22/12/2012 06:59:36 PM
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If you think it would solve the debate then probably
- 22/12/2012 07:09:42 PM
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Nothing will ever truly end the debate, but we can greatly reduce or end its justification.
- 22/12/2012 08:03:39 PM
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If it's shown to work
- 23/12/2012 12:25:38 AM
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Of the many school shootings in recent years, I am aware of none where armed cops were present.
- 23/12/2012 12:47:32 AM
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columbine had two armed guards on the day of the shooting. they were both immediately fired upon...
- 23/12/2012 12:49:30 AM
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I have never seen any mention of them among the injured or dead (or at all.)
- 23/12/2012 01:09:38 AM
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you should try harder
- 23/12/2012 01:15:34 AM
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"a motorcycle patrolman who was near the school writing a speeding ticket" is not stationed there.
- 23/12/2012 01:34:50 AM
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he still didn't stop the shooting, whether he was there before or after it started
- 23/12/2012 01:49:24 AM
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No kidding; how could he stop the shooting before it started if he was not there?
- 23/12/2012 02:16:59 AM
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A fuller account of Gardner
- 23/12/2012 10:27:24 AM
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Nice link.
- 23/12/2012 02:27:30 PM
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Re: Nice link.
- 23/12/2012 03:15:24 PM
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Inexplicably, Ft. Hood was a gun free zone (guess no one told the shooter.)
- 26/12/2012 06:12:42 PM
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Re: Nice link.
- 23/12/2012 04:21:27 PM
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Gardner:If you’re going to put a police officer in a school, make sure his focus stays on the school
- 26/12/2012 06:40:41 PM
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The children are what matter, not the school. Surely this isn't something you disagree on?
- 29/12/2012 02:15:12 PM
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As usual Moondog, you are missing a BUNCH of facts on this one (links inside)
- 26/12/2012 07:51:29 PM
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at last count, over 99,000 schools in the US
- 23/12/2012 12:45:30 AM
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What is public safety worth to you?
- 23/12/2012 12:54:04 AM
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it's not entirely a matter of cost, although that factors into it.
- 23/12/2012 01:01:50 AM
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There are many cases where armed cops ended mass shootings.
- 23/12/2012 01:28:25 AM
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there are none where an armed guard placed there *before* the shooting had any effect
- 23/12/2012 01:36:42 AM
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Kind of a Catch-22; if they PREVENT shootings, shootings can only occur in their absence.
- 23/12/2012 01:52:03 AM
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ok, here is my last word on the subject
- 23/12/2012 02:06:49 AM
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9 people injured vs. 20 people dead.
- 23/12/2012 02:34:00 AM
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it is still "more guns makes us safer" which has yet to prevent a single massacre in this country
- 23/12/2012 02:41:56 PM
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Peter Odighizuwa comes to mind, that's also horrible logic
- 23/12/2012 08:27:46 PM
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Care to prove that negative? The burden to do so is on you as the person who made the assertion.
- 26/12/2012 06:47:07 PM
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It doesn't have to be a full time gaurd standing looking dangerous.
- 26/12/2012 06:12:14 PM
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Re: the NRA shows it is an asylum overrun by lunatics
- 22/12/2012 06:36:32 PM
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I believe it is fairly common in junior and high schools today, but not elementary schools.
- 22/12/2012 07:12:32 PM
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This entire post is completely irrelevant.
- 22/12/2012 07:27:45 PM
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Those who want univeral prohibition/access are equally fringe minorities.
- 22/12/2012 08:18:00 PM
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there is no Left or Right on this issue, there is only Sane and Insane
- 23/12/2012 12:59:08 AM
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also: it's insulting to tell parents their kids would be alive if only more guns were around
- 23/12/2012 01:30:53 AM
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People die from all sort of causes
- 22/12/2012 07:27:53 PM
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Cars require training, certification and licensing, too; why should guns not?
- 22/12/2012 08:25:43 PM
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Do bombs require certification?
- 22/12/2012 09:21:25 PM
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No, they are pretty much illegal for the general public under all conditions.
- 22/12/2012 09:35:35 PM
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i say this with all due respect -- eat a bag of dicks
- 23/12/2012 01:04:08 AM
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That was pretty damn respectful under the circumstances.
- 23/12/2012 01:10:04 AM
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The lack of intellect displayed here is to be expected
- 23/12/2012 04:01:32 AM
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so according to you we should just make life illegal since everyone is going to die from something..
- 23/12/2012 07:25:05 AM
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Obviously you didn't put pay attention
- 23/12/2012 01:40:17 PM
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no, you said "fuck it because people die anyway". there is a big difference
- 23/12/2012 02:46:46 PM
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Dicks and stones
- 23/12/2012 03:54:25 AM
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cars and guns kill roughly the same number of people every year -- around 30,000 give or take
- 23/12/2012 01:02:44 AM
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But over half of gun deaths are suicide.....so cars are much more dangerous to society. *NM*
- 23/12/2012 05:35:45 AM
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Every year is iffy there, it dropped off the last two, was 40k-50k plus for cars since 1962
- 23/12/2012 11:55:50 AM
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except that cars are legislated to be safer every year, guns aren't.
- 23/12/2012 03:01:36 PM
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Guns are for killing, cars are for transport, cars aren't any safer now against use for homicide
- 23/12/2012 08:22:13 PM
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but if we are trying to minimize the number of deaths, then more MUST be done for gun laws
- 24/12/2012 03:33:31 AM
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More must be done to minimize, not necessarily with greater regulation
- 24/12/2012 04:27:04 AM
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Re: More must be done to minimize, not necessarily with greater regulation
- 25/12/2012 04:49:54 PM
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Re: More must be done to minimize, not necessarily with greater regulation
- 25/12/2012 08:41:53 PM
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Here is some interesting data.....knives are as dangerous as "non-handguns"
- 23/12/2012 05:45:08 AM
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I hope you don't mind me taking this opportunity to plug my new book, "How to Cook with Guns" *NM*
- 23/12/2012 03:04:06 PM
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there was a school mass stabbing in china the same day as sandy hook
- 23/12/2012 03:18:00 PM
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I am equally happy that the criminal was incompetant, but that does not diminish their lethality
- 27/12/2012 10:45:33 PM
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I'm not sure it's about guns.
- 23/12/2012 06:08:50 PM
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IMO it is about the media attention focuised on the perpetrator. Their name becomes history. *NM*
- 27/12/2012 10:47:15 PM
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