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Never point a gun at anything you are not going to shoot, nor shoot anything you do not mean to kill Joel Send a noteboard - 28/12/2012 06:13:20 PM
This is a slightly less practical and more philosophical point, but I think it's important to consider. No one will ever argue that it would have been somehow bad or immoral to shoot and kill a guy murdering a classroom of kindergarteners. But, like the article says, the chance of such a clear-cut, black and white scenario involving guns happening to you is pretty unlikely. Instead, you have a lot of slightly more murky situations: you are being robbed, or raped, or just kind of threatened, or whatever, and you pull a gun and fire on your assailant and hopefully they die.

The author of the article explains that "When I said “stop an attacker quickly” somebody on Twitter thought that he’d gotten me and said “Stop. That’s just a euphemism for kill!” Nope. I am perfectly happy if the attacker surrenders or passes out from blood loss too. Tactically and legally, all I care about is making them stop doing whatever it is that they are doing which caused me to shoot them to begin with."

But, really? Guns aren't meant to disable, injure, or stun opponents, they're meant to kill them. I can't really condemn the use of guns for self-defense, but I can't whole-heartedly support it either. The penalty for small-time robbery or even physical assault isn't death, and it probably shouldn't be. By putting guns into the hands of regular, every day civilians you're not only betting that they will be stand-up guys who will only use their weapons appropriately in situations of duress, but also essentially giving them license and immunity to take other peoples' lives. Yes, bad guys can and do take other peoples' lives and that is wrong. But is it a good thing to have the right to quickly and easily kill anyone committing any sort of crime against you?

That is the rule I was always taught. This is not the first time I have seen ardent pro-gun advocates laud THIS ardent pro-gun advocates ardently pro-gun article as the greatest feat of logic since Oliver Wendell Holmes died. That means little, because the article is often factually challenged and/or disingenuous. Examples:

1) An off duty COP (i.e. someone screened, trained and licensed to have a gun) stopping a shooting does not mean EVERYONE should be able to get a gun.

2) Gun control did not prevent the stabber in China attacking >20 kids, but probably did prevent ANY deaths (unlike in three US mass shootings since July.)

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Poll: 54 percent view NRA favorably - 28/12/2012 04:23:35 AM 914 Views
Hahahaha. That is full of shit. OMG. Thanks for the laughs. *NM* - 28/12/2012 06:30:08 AM 375 Views
I have this to say about that... - 28/12/2012 07:10:52 AM 711 Views
That was rather long but probably one of the best things I've read this year - 28/12/2012 02:31:24 PM 490 Views
Excellent article by a knowledgable individual armed with facts. *NM* - 28/12/2012 04:36:23 PM 245 Views
See my response to Novo. - 28/12/2012 06:28:00 PM 578 Views
please cite the errors, manipulations, or lies. - 28/12/2012 09:30:28 PM 527 Views
Re: I have this to say about that... - 28/12/2012 05:23:44 PM 595 Views
Never point a gun at anything you are not going to shoot, nor shoot anything you do not mean to kill - 28/12/2012 06:13:20 PM 556 Views
I totally disagree with that, it is just wrong-headed - 29/12/2012 03:51:19 AM 678 Views
Great read, thanks for posting! *NM* - 28/12/2012 05:52:29 PM 249 Views
Thanks for posting that, I enjoyed it a lot - 29/12/2012 01:36:33 AM 498 Views
his premise is "there's already too many guns so why bother trying anything at all now" - 07/01/2013 06:27:20 PM 563 Views
I don't think that's his sole premise but it's also quite true - 07/01/2013 07:05:20 PM 594 Views
i think you're missing a piece of the puzzle - 07/01/2013 07:23:02 PM 513 Views
I'm not missing it, I just don't think it's wise or especially moral - 07/01/2013 09:36:05 PM 555 Views
moral has nothing to do with it, imho - 07/01/2013 11:26:00 PM 604 Views
Re: moral has nothing to do with it, imho - 08/01/2013 05:40:46 AM 480 Views
last thoughts..... - 08/01/2013 05:18:35 PM 498 Views
Well I was referring more to the timing of collecting data. - 29/12/2012 04:28:01 AM 688 Views
Is that the same Gallup that said 54% of America would vote Romney? - 28/12/2012 06:15:43 PM 602 Views
Once again data is data.....feel free to cite other polling data. *NM* - 28/12/2012 06:38:29 PM 264 Views

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