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you are correct. i forget sometimes that there **is** some common ground here.... moondog Send a noteboard - 20/03/2013 04:19:13 AM

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there are still bills pending for magazine size, background checks for all sales, and gun trafficking -- all of which are supported by a majority of Americans. i couldn't care less about assault weapon bans as long as we expand background checks. while we're at it, may as well start requiring gun shops to actually keep track of inventory, and prosecute those shops who sell guns to criminals, especially if those guns go on to commit actual crimes.

there is still plenty more to do, so pushing for a ban that is unpopular and doesn't do a whole lot to stop the violence is counter productive.


Magazine size is irrelevant & the federal background check system needs to be reworked so that it actually functions as intended in a timely manner. I just wish that people would loose the rhetoric and and have rational discussions on the topic. BTW, federally licensed gun shops rarely sell to ineligible buyers, and most of the sellers at gun shows are federally licensed dealers, and absolutely keep track of inventory and sales. The penalties if they do not are extreme.

"Mr gun dealer, we found this weapon at a murder"
"I sold it last month."
"Who did you sell it to?"
"Uhhh, I don't recall."
"You have the right to remain silent..."

..and assault weapons have been all but banned since the late 30s.

I personally disagree with the majority of the current gun laws because I feel that they violate the Constitution. I think that if we want to curtail gun rights then the correct thing is to amend the Constitution to allow it, but none of the gun control crowd seem to have the courage of their convictions to try and do it the right way.


there are actually a handful of rogue dealers which something on the order of 40% or more of guns pass through on their way to crimes. and there are no federal requirements for dealers to keep an inventory of guns sold. i'm sure there are laws for prosecuting dealers who sell to criminals, but they are rarely enforced. or at least, rarely make the news when/if they are. the kids at columbine got their guns through a dealer who sold it to a friend who was 18. there are shops who sell to gangs and other criminals throughout the country, but the ATF can't prosecute them for various reasons. if anything at all comes from the passage of new legislation, i would be perfectly happy if these dealers were shut down for good.

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US Senate Democrats - already cave-in on the gun control bill - 19/03/2013 10:44:55 PM 1503 Views
right wingers are always point out there is no point legislating cosmetics - 19/03/2013 11:52:28 PM 907 Views
Late Term Abortion, Terry Schavio? *NM* - 19/03/2013 11:57:25 PM 449 Views
You know, what you are hoping for will not make any difference whatsoever..... - 20/03/2013 01:07:58 AM 781 Views
"if at first you don't succeed..... fuck it...." - 20/03/2013 04:10:47 AM 773 Views
I can agree with some of what you stated, though I prefer "logical" to "right winger" - 20/03/2013 01:56:34 AM 836 Views
you are correct. i forget sometimes that there **is** some common ground here.... - 20/03/2013 04:19:13 AM 751 Views
There'd be more common ground if anything were ever offered in exchange for concessions - 20/03/2013 02:20:26 PM 779 Views
Ben Franklin said it best... - 20/03/2013 04:14:45 PM 753 Views
interesting how that quote always applies to so many things, isn't it? - 20/03/2013 05:14:30 PM 760 Views
Absolutely - 21/03/2013 12:20:45 AM 822 Views
if there have to be concessions, what do you recommend? - 20/03/2013 05:10:53 PM 881 Views
That would depend, something of equal value - 20/03/2013 09:13:23 PM 778 Views
when very little is being given up, how do we determine equal value? - 20/03/2013 10:31:59 PM 1036 Views
Outside of legislature people do it all the time, its called negotiation and bargaining - 21/03/2013 10:53:22 AM 782 Views
Re: Outside of legislature people do it all the time, its called negotiation and bargaining - 21/03/2013 07:16:57 PM 853 Views
Re: Outside of legislature people do it all the time, its called negotiation and bargaining - 21/03/2013 08:53:20 PM 931 Views
some answers - 21/03/2013 10:04:45 PM 1162 Views
Re: some answers - 21/03/2013 11:33:21 PM 942 Views
Re: the NRA - 22/03/2013 07:44:06 PM 775 Views
This is a matter of POV bias - 22/03/2013 09:04:25 PM 721 Views
we will have to agree to disagree then - 22/03/2013 10:12:02 PM 770 Views
I already knew we disagreed, that's why I suggested bargaining - 22/03/2013 11:11:04 PM 771 Views
i am merely taking the NRA at their word(s) - 23/03/2013 12:13:18 AM 708 Views
Re: i am merely taking the NRA at their word(s) - 23/03/2013 02:04:39 AM 969 Views
i am not trying to sway, just come to an understanding - 23/03/2013 03:03:14 PM 935 Views
I think you've actually managed to widen our gap - 23/03/2013 03:53:55 PM 941 Views
yes, because it was a failed attempt to re-boot and start the debate from the beginning..... - 24/03/2013 03:33:05 AM 1122 Views
I've difficulty seeing the point of going back to first principles but I'm willing to try - 24/03/2013 02:13:29 PM 763 Views
this has been more insightful than our previous tit-for-tat responses, actually - 26/03/2013 07:40:27 PM 750 Views
There's always room for reaosnable dialogue - 26/03/2013 10:09:58 PM 1024 Views
even so, we are at yet another impasse.... - 26/03/2013 11:37:04 PM 844 Views
Probably, I don't know why that surprises you - 27/03/2013 02:02:54 AM 717 Views
I can see the argument for limiting magazine capapcity but it would be hard to enforce - 20/03/2013 05:11:51 PM 766 Views
It would be a stupid meaningless "feel good" law as changing magazines takes almost no time. *NM* - 21/03/2013 01:05:34 PM 403 Views
I can't argue that - 21/03/2013 06:14:09 PM 766 Views
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what is high capacity? - 21/03/2013 11:09:09 PM 732 Views
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Your specified legal requirements already exist. *NM* - 21/03/2013 02:05:12 AM 398 Views
So what other stipulations would you put into effect? *NM* - 21/03/2013 02:42:53 AM 383 Views
none- I'd simply actually punish criminals instead of trying to "reform" them. *NM* - 21/03/2013 01:13:29 PM 395 Views
Criminals need to be punished AND reformed for their inevitable release back into society *NM* - 21/03/2013 11:58:20 PM 367 Views
I've always been rather partial to the criminal justice system in Heinlein's Starship Troopers novel - 22/03/2013 02:42:09 AM 839 Views
Yeah you're right. Let's just kill everybody who commits a crime - 22/03/2013 02:46:49 AM 767 Views
*NM* - 22/03/2013 10:55:36 AM 408 Views
That's not in Starship Troopers - 22/03/2013 12:51:44 PM 771 Views
Yeah, there was a small number of capital offenses (13 I think), most not specified. - 22/03/2013 05:27:11 PM 748 Views
14 then, he lists stupidity as one in another book - 22/03/2013 07:35:13 PM 791 Views
That's why we NEED to reform prisoners - 22/03/2013 10:33:08 PM 719 Views
It is probably an option we should work harder to develop - 23/03/2013 12:38:33 AM 790 Views
Out of curiosity. Is anyone against background checks at gun shows, and if so, why? *NM* - 21/03/2013 09:38:59 AM 381 Views
Not in principle but somewhat in practice - 21/03/2013 11:25:25 AM 934 Views
For what its worth.... - 21/03/2013 03:13:44 PM 733 Views
Personally, I am worried about criminals with guns. BUT... - 22/03/2013 03:44:47 PM 1063 Views
What you are not factoring into your though process is that most criminals feels the same way. - 24/03/2013 12:56:04 PM 1042 Views
I realize that can be the case. But... - 25/03/2013 03:32:59 PM 1028 Views
Twice I was almost robbed, and my parents were robbed several times. - 26/03/2013 01:35:11 PM 660 Views

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