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A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... Anonymous2000 Send a noteboard - 04/04/2013 04:15:32 AM

Looks like you are in agreement that what has been tried hasn't worked.

Yes, I distrust government, but I don't disagree that "helping those in need" as being one of its core responsibilities. However, success is determined by how many people actually improve their lives, NOT how much money is spent. Compassion is NOT about spending money, but doing what it takes to make people self-reliant and independent. If you showed me a program that does this, I would agree to paid more in taxes tomorrow. But our current government programs are pathetic and a waste of money and DC only cares about buying votes and giving handouts. We have tried this for 50 years and it hasn't worked.

As for me, my wife and I donated a little under $10k in 2012 to various charities, mostly local. We are very big supporters of our town's food pantry and EMS squad. And if you really want to get down to it, I can mention my soon-to-be daughter who was abandoned in China when she was one day old. But I don't think we need to go there, right?

And I will be polite and refrain from asking you the same question.


View original postsince you are so wealthy you had to pay the AMT, how much of your money did you donate to charities which deal with helping the poor? how are you, personally, making their lives better since you don't trust the government to handle it? stop bitching and do something about it for a change.

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Liberalism has officially failed - Poverty reaches 1960 levels - Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 12:33:15 AM 1420 Views
As has Conservatism. Dannymac - 04/04/2013 12:37:23 AM 876 Views
I know it hurts.....but the truth about liberalism will set you free! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 12:42:57 AM 1001 Views
That's a flawed analogy these days, since conservative policies are anti-education spending. Burr - 04/04/2013 01:24:22 AM 1009 Views
Have you ever tried to fish when really hungry? Dannymac - 04/04/2013 06:32:17 AM 931 Views
HA! HA! In your dreams that's how liberalism works. How about..... Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:59:33 PM 859 Views
and lo, Jesus said unto the poor gathered to him: "begone freeloaders! the wealthy need more money" moondog - 04/04/2013 06:43:32 PM 961 Views
Interestingly enough.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:20:06 PM 945 Views
Re: Interestingly enough.... nossy - 04/04/2013 09:31:27 PM 930 Views
Well here is where theology gets fun.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:48:50 PM 972 Views
The entire post...as well as many of the sub-threads....prompts the question of: Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:39:16 PM 988 Views
it depends on what your definition of "succeed" is i guess.... moondog - 04/04/2013 10:27:30 PM 1063 Views
And that is certainly your opinion.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 10:54:08 PM 1035 Views
Re: And that is certainly your opinion.... moondog - 04/04/2013 11:57:34 PM 1093 Views
Hmm good questions Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:29:45 PM 1012 Views
you contradicted yourself moondog - 04/04/2013 10:44:47 PM 956 Views
Re: you contradicted yourself Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:54:35 PM 1018 Views
i think i understand where you're coming from.... moondog - 05/04/2013 07:33:32 PM 988 Views
I see the problem random thoughts - 04/04/2013 06:45:53 PM 935 Views
since you don't trust the gov't, what are you doing to help the poor survive? moondog - 04/04/2013 12:58:49 AM 1021 Views
A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:15:32 AM 935 Views
Re: A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... moondog - 04/04/2013 06:42:00 PM 1076 Views
Perhaps its time to try a little fact checking. heartbreak - 04/04/2013 03:34:44 AM 1207 Views
I'm happy you agree with me, liberalism has failed and it's time for something different. Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 03:47:17 AM 892 Views
Oh the cleverness of you. heartbreak - 04/04/2013 03:52:07 AM 1082 Views
Wow, I'm shocked. Yes, let's stick with the failed status quo. Good plan! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:17:32 AM 846 Views
Who said anything about the status quo? I just said I didn't agree with your solution. *NM* heartbreak - 04/04/2013 04:19:37 AM 544 Views
Then time to step up, what's your idea? Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:22:58 AM 841 Views
As you might say, "What do you expect, a free ride?" heartbreak - 04/04/2013 11:45:02 AM 1099 Views
How typicaly conservative! And no. Dannymac - 04/04/2013 02:05:00 PM 891 Views
Variaitons of this plan have been tried elsewhere with lesser or negligible resistance Isaac - 04/04/2013 03:31:22 PM 976 Views
Agreed and this is how we will finance such a move Roland00 - 04/04/2013 04:01:46 AM 991 Views
I'm glad you agree! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:21:25 AM 906 Views
No, in Europe, liberalism is generally successful Sports_Gambler - 04/04/2013 06:15:34 AM 899 Views
Liberalism & Conservatism 'officially fail' about ever other year I've noticed, still around though *NM* Isaac - 04/04/2013 09:02:42 AM 469 Views
Yes. I wonder if there will ever be an age of fiscally responsible/conservative liberals. Avendesora - 05/04/2013 03:41:09 AM 970 Views
I guess it depends on how you define the terms Isaac - 05/04/2013 08:52:25 AM 1139 Views
*nod* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 01:30:47 PM 972 Views
Re: *nod* Isaac - 05/04/2013 03:12:17 PM 943 Views
Off topic: are you gardening yet? Avendesora - 05/04/2013 02:25:06 PM 817 Views
Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 03:21:25 PM 804 Views
Re: Initial stuff moondog - 05/04/2013 07:10:57 PM 889 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 05/04/2013 08:19:16 PM 946 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 11:21:56 PM 932 Views
I didn't know they make LED grow lights! Avendesora - 06/04/2013 12:18:25 AM 1065 Views
It's a bit newer because of the price, that's been dropping Isaac - 06/04/2013 01:20:10 AM 975 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 11:11:12 PM 1073 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 05/04/2013 07:56:47 PM 964 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 06/04/2013 12:36:10 AM 1116 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 06/04/2013 02:01:59 AM 1003 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 06/04/2013 03:19:39 AM 867 Views
Yes, the logical step is to go for Nordic style socialism. jh - 04/04/2013 03:19:17 PM 965 Views
well that and a tiny homogenous population funded by large oil reserves random thoughts - 04/04/2013 06:57:51 PM 930 Views
Eh, you're describing norway. jh - 04/04/2013 08:11:25 PM 866 Views
The Economist (of all people) was singing the praises of the Nordic countries recently. Legolas - 04/04/2013 08:49:36 PM 968 Views
Hey, guess what? nossy - 04/04/2013 08:55:59 PM 868 Views
Awesome. Legolas - 04/04/2013 09:22:13 PM 794 Views
Oh my gosh! nossy - 04/04/2013 09:27:17 PM 811 Views
Yes! Legolas - 04/04/2013 09:33:45 PM 850 Views
Yay! nossy - 04/04/2013 09:37:40 PM 922 Views
We're Maryland, actually, as I recall. Legolas - 04/04/2013 10:15:49 PM 859 Views
You need to vist Dallas or LA and tell me what qualifes for a large immigrant population random thoughts - 05/04/2013 03:23:13 AM 871 Views
Eh survival of the fittest Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 06:18:52 PM 993 Views
Excuse me? nossy - 04/04/2013 08:42:24 PM 902 Views
Cry me a river Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 08:55:40 PM 925 Views
Funny. nossy - 04/04/2013 09:18:15 PM 922 Views
Re: Funny. Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:19:35 PM 916 Views
good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit moondog - 04/04/2013 10:38:45 PM 930 Views
Re: good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:49:14 PM 941 Views
Wow. nossy - 04/04/2013 11:27:06 PM 911 Views
Re: Wow. Nighthawk - 05/04/2013 12:18:08 AM 1039 Views
congrats on being part of the problem.... *NM* moondog - 05/04/2013 04:48:58 AM 502 Views
It's pointless to argue with those who don't understand the psychology of generational poverty. *NM* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 03:43:40 AM 464 Views
Clearly. *NM* nossy - 05/04/2013 07:32:21 PM 425 Views
Oh the "it's nobody's fault excuse" Nighthawk - 05/04/2013 08:56:51 PM 873 Views
Get back to me when you know wtf you're talking about. *NM* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 09:03:08 PM 456 Views
I'm back *NM* Nighthawk - 06/04/2013 01:40:47 AM 423 Views
You're over-generalizing a bit Isaac - 06/04/2013 01:49:02 AM 1032 Views
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