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A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... Anonymous2000 Send a noteboard - 04/04/2013 04:15:32 AM

Looks like you are in agreement that what has been tried hasn't worked.

Yes, I distrust government, but I don't disagree that "helping those in need" as being one of its core responsibilities. However, success is determined by how many people actually improve their lives, NOT how much money is spent. Compassion is NOT about spending money, but doing what it takes to make people self-reliant and independent. If you showed me a program that does this, I would agree to paid more in taxes tomorrow. But our current government programs are pathetic and a waste of money and DC only cares about buying votes and giving handouts. We have tried this for 50 years and it hasn't worked.

As for me, my wife and I donated a little under $10k in 2012 to various charities, mostly local. We are very big supporters of our town's food pantry and EMS squad. And if you really want to get down to it, I can mention my soon-to-be daughter who was abandoned in China when she was one day old. But I don't think we need to go there, right?

And I will be polite and refrain from asking you the same question.


View original postsince you are so wealthy you had to pay the AMT, how much of your money did you donate to charities which deal with helping the poor? how are you, personally, making their lives better since you don't trust the government to handle it? stop bitching and do something about it for a change.

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Liberalism has officially failed - Poverty reaches 1960 levels - Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 12:33:15 AM 1198 Views
As has Conservatism. Dannymac - 04/04/2013 12:37:23 AM 700 Views
I know it hurts.....but the truth about liberalism will set you free! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 12:42:57 AM 805 Views
That's a flawed analogy these days, since conservative policies are anti-education spending. Burr - 04/04/2013 01:24:22 AM 811 Views
Have you ever tried to fish when really hungry? Dannymac - 04/04/2013 06:32:17 AM 727 Views
HA! HA! In your dreams that's how liberalism works. How about..... Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:59:33 PM 664 Views
and lo, Jesus said unto the poor gathered to him: "begone freeloaders! the wealthy need more money" moondog - 04/04/2013 06:43:32 PM 751 Views
Interestingly enough.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:20:06 PM 710 Views
Re: Interestingly enough.... nossy - 04/04/2013 09:31:27 PM 729 Views
Well here is where theology gets fun.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:48:50 PM 772 Views
The entire post...as well as many of the sub-threads....prompts the question of: Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:39:16 PM 773 Views
it depends on what your definition of "succeed" is i guess.... moondog - 04/04/2013 10:27:30 PM 822 Views
And that is certainly your opinion.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 10:54:08 PM 819 Views
Re: And that is certainly your opinion.... moondog - 04/04/2013 11:57:34 PM 892 Views
Hmm good questions Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:29:45 PM 806 Views
you contradicted yourself moondog - 04/04/2013 10:44:47 PM 726 Views
Re: you contradicted yourself Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:54:35 PM 795 Views
i think i understand where you're coming from.... moondog - 05/04/2013 07:33:32 PM 776 Views
I see the problem random thoughts - 04/04/2013 06:45:53 PM 728 Views
since you don't trust the gov't, what are you doing to help the poor survive? moondog - 04/04/2013 12:58:49 AM 802 Views
A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:15:32 AM 703 Views
Re: A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... moondog - 04/04/2013 06:42:00 PM 827 Views
Perhaps its time to try a little fact checking. heartbreak - 04/04/2013 03:34:44 AM 975 Views
I'm happy you agree with me, liberalism has failed and it's time for something different. Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 03:47:17 AM 690 Views
Oh the cleverness of you. heartbreak - 04/04/2013 03:52:07 AM 855 Views
Wow, I'm shocked. Yes, let's stick with the failed status quo. Good plan! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:17:32 AM 646 Views
Who said anything about the status quo? I just said I didn't agree with your solution. *NM* heartbreak - 04/04/2013 04:19:37 AM 434 Views
Then time to step up, what's your idea? Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:22:58 AM 646 Views
As you might say, "What do you expect, a free ride?" heartbreak - 04/04/2013 11:45:02 AM 868 Views
How typicaly conservative! And no. Dannymac - 04/04/2013 02:05:00 PM 687 Views
Variaitons of this plan have been tried elsewhere with lesser or negligible resistance Isaac - 04/04/2013 03:31:22 PM 779 Views
Agreed and this is how we will finance such a move Roland00 - 04/04/2013 04:01:46 AM 765 Views
I'm glad you agree! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:21:25 AM 720 Views
No, in Europe, liberalism is generally successful Sports_Gambler - 04/04/2013 06:15:34 AM 706 Views
Liberalism & Conservatism 'officially fail' about ever other year I've noticed, still around though *NM* Isaac - 04/04/2013 09:02:42 AM 337 Views
Yes. I wonder if there will ever be an age of fiscally responsible/conservative liberals. Avendesora - 05/04/2013 03:41:09 AM 771 Views
I guess it depends on how you define the terms Isaac - 05/04/2013 08:52:25 AM 918 Views
*nod* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 01:30:47 PM 772 Views
Re: *nod* Isaac - 05/04/2013 03:12:17 PM 680 Views
Off topic: are you gardening yet? Avendesora - 05/04/2013 02:25:06 PM 624 Views
Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 03:21:25 PM 615 Views
Re: Initial stuff moondog - 05/04/2013 07:10:57 PM 686 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 05/04/2013 08:19:16 PM 737 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 11:21:56 PM 746 Views
I didn't know they make LED grow lights! Avendesora - 06/04/2013 12:18:25 AM 884 Views
It's a bit newer because of the price, that's been dropping Isaac - 06/04/2013 01:20:10 AM 754 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 11:11:12 PM 864 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 05/04/2013 07:56:47 PM 745 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 06/04/2013 12:36:10 AM 877 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 06/04/2013 02:01:59 AM 785 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 06/04/2013 03:19:39 AM 632 Views
Yes, the logical step is to go for Nordic style socialism. jh - 04/04/2013 03:19:17 PM 753 Views
well that and a tiny homogenous population funded by large oil reserves random thoughts - 04/04/2013 06:57:51 PM 711 Views
Eh, you're describing norway. jh - 04/04/2013 08:11:25 PM 676 Views
The Economist (of all people) was singing the praises of the Nordic countries recently. Legolas - 04/04/2013 08:49:36 PM 729 Views
Hey, guess what? nossy - 04/04/2013 08:55:59 PM 684 Views
Awesome. Legolas - 04/04/2013 09:22:13 PM 599 Views
Oh my gosh! nossy - 04/04/2013 09:27:17 PM 615 Views
Yes! Legolas - 04/04/2013 09:33:45 PM 652 Views
Yay! nossy - 04/04/2013 09:37:40 PM 674 Views
We're Maryland, actually, as I recall. Legolas - 04/04/2013 10:15:49 PM 652 Views
You need to vist Dallas or LA and tell me what qualifes for a large immigrant population random thoughts - 05/04/2013 03:23:13 AM 676 Views
Eh survival of the fittest Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 06:18:52 PM 767 Views
Excuse me? nossy - 04/04/2013 08:42:24 PM 701 Views
Cry me a river Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 08:55:40 PM 726 Views
Funny. nossy - 04/04/2013 09:18:15 PM 720 Views
Re: Funny. Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:19:35 PM 733 Views
good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit moondog - 04/04/2013 10:38:45 PM 737 Views
Re: good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:49:14 PM 718 Views
Wow. nossy - 04/04/2013 11:27:06 PM 733 Views
Re: Wow. Nighthawk - 05/04/2013 12:18:08 AM 833 Views
congrats on being part of the problem.... *NM* moondog - 05/04/2013 04:48:58 AM 379 Views
It's pointless to argue with those who don't understand the psychology of generational poverty. *NM* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 03:43:40 AM 358 Views
Clearly. *NM* nossy - 05/04/2013 07:32:21 PM 323 Views
Oh the "it's nobody's fault excuse" Nighthawk - 05/04/2013 08:56:51 PM 694 Views
Get back to me when you know wtf you're talking about. *NM* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 09:03:08 PM 357 Views
I'm back *NM* Nighthawk - 06/04/2013 01:40:47 AM 337 Views
You're over-generalizing a bit Isaac - 06/04/2013 01:49:02 AM 812 Views
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