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Cry me a river Nighthawk Send a noteboard - 04/04/2013 08:55:40 PM

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Don't be poor? I guess inflation will just stay down when everyone is rich?
View original postDon't want to be poor? Then don't be poor. Get an education. Apply yourself. Work hard. Don't live beyond your means. Don't have children you can't afford. You get the point. I refuse to feel sorry for people who refuse to help themselves.

Don't be born with any sort of handicap? Don't accidentally get sick and end up with a $5000 hospital bill that will throw you in to debt for 10 years (if you ever manage to get out of it), don't make a mistake or be raped ... Are any of those rare?

Your post is severely dismissive of the fact that there are many people out there who aren't like you. That is the one American thing that does really piss me off - four out of my five best friends are teachers, and they will tell you who the 2 or 3 kids are in the class who will have a HUGE struggle to ever be more than a fast food worker (or similar). It's completely shitty to assume that everyone is on an even playing field or has never made any sort of mistake that they may need help to crawl out from under. Or, if they are/have, they automatically deserve to be treated like they just haven't tried hard enough. No wonder so many people are on medication.


People can live comfortably if they live frugally. I know there are people who simply don't have the brain power to amount to anything, but should they just give up? Are you telling me there's not one stupid person making a comfortable living that doesn't require being smart? As far as disabilities go, their families will have to take care of them. Seeing how they will never have a normal life, they are irrelevant to this discussion. I'm talking about the poor who aren't handicapped (other than being dumb). I grew up dirt poor thanks to horrible parents, so I know what I'm talking about here.

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Liberalism has officially failed - Poverty reaches 1960 levels - Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 12:33:15 AM 1437 Views
As has Conservatism. Dannymac - 04/04/2013 12:37:23 AM 885 Views
I know it hurts.....but the truth about liberalism will set you free! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 12:42:57 AM 1007 Views
That's a flawed analogy these days, since conservative policies are anti-education spending. Burr - 04/04/2013 01:24:22 AM 1020 Views
Have you ever tried to fish when really hungry? Dannymac - 04/04/2013 06:32:17 AM 946 Views
HA! HA! In your dreams that's how liberalism works. How about..... Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:59:33 PM 871 Views
and lo, Jesus said unto the poor gathered to him: "begone freeloaders! the wealthy need more money" moondog - 04/04/2013 06:43:32 PM 977 Views
Interestingly enough.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:20:06 PM 954 Views
Re: Interestingly enough.... nossy - 04/04/2013 09:31:27 PM 945 Views
Well here is where theology gets fun.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:48:50 PM 986 Views
The entire post...as well as many of the sub-threads....prompts the question of: Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:39:16 PM 1004 Views
it depends on what your definition of "succeed" is i guess.... moondog - 04/04/2013 10:27:30 PM 1086 Views
And that is certainly your opinion.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 10:54:08 PM 1048 Views
Re: And that is certainly your opinion.... moondog - 04/04/2013 11:57:34 PM 1104 Views
Hmm good questions Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:29:45 PM 1023 Views
you contradicted yourself moondog - 04/04/2013 10:44:47 PM 980 Views
Re: you contradicted yourself Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:54:35 PM 1027 Views
i think i understand where you're coming from.... moondog - 05/04/2013 07:33:32 PM 1002 Views
I see the problem random thoughts - 04/04/2013 06:45:53 PM 945 Views
since you don't trust the gov't, what are you doing to help the poor survive? moondog - 04/04/2013 12:58:49 AM 1031 Views
A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:15:32 AM 953 Views
Re: A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... moondog - 04/04/2013 06:42:00 PM 1092 Views
Perhaps its time to try a little fact checking. heartbreak - 04/04/2013 03:34:44 AM 1223 Views
I'm happy you agree with me, liberalism has failed and it's time for something different. Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 03:47:17 AM 907 Views
Oh the cleverness of you. heartbreak - 04/04/2013 03:52:07 AM 1100 Views
Wow, I'm shocked. Yes, let's stick with the failed status quo. Good plan! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:17:32 AM 861 Views
Who said anything about the status quo? I just said I didn't agree with your solution. *NM* heartbreak - 04/04/2013 04:19:37 AM 553 Views
Then time to step up, what's your idea? Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:22:58 AM 856 Views
As you might say, "What do you expect, a free ride?" heartbreak - 04/04/2013 11:45:02 AM 1117 Views
How typicaly conservative! And no. Dannymac - 04/04/2013 02:05:00 PM 908 Views
Variaitons of this plan have been tried elsewhere with lesser or negligible resistance Isaac - 04/04/2013 03:31:22 PM 988 Views
Agreed and this is how we will finance such a move Roland00 - 04/04/2013 04:01:46 AM 1013 Views
I'm glad you agree! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:21:25 AM 919 Views
No, in Europe, liberalism is generally successful Sports_Gambler - 04/04/2013 06:15:34 AM 913 Views
Liberalism & Conservatism 'officially fail' about ever other year I've noticed, still around though *NM* Isaac - 04/04/2013 09:02:42 AM 479 Views
Yes. I wonder if there will ever be an age of fiscally responsible/conservative liberals. Avendesora - 05/04/2013 03:41:09 AM 989 Views
I guess it depends on how you define the terms Isaac - 05/04/2013 08:52:25 AM 1150 Views
*nod* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 01:30:47 PM 994 Views
Re: *nod* Isaac - 05/04/2013 03:12:17 PM 963 Views
Off topic: are you gardening yet? Avendesora - 05/04/2013 02:25:06 PM 829 Views
Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 03:21:25 PM 819 Views
Re: Initial stuff moondog - 05/04/2013 07:10:57 PM 906 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 05/04/2013 08:19:16 PM 956 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 11:21:56 PM 946 Views
I didn't know they make LED grow lights! Avendesora - 06/04/2013 12:18:25 AM 1076 Views
It's a bit newer because of the price, that's been dropping Isaac - 06/04/2013 01:20:10 AM 990 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 11:11:12 PM 1083 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 05/04/2013 07:56:47 PM 978 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 06/04/2013 12:36:10 AM 1139 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 06/04/2013 02:01:59 AM 1022 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 06/04/2013 03:19:39 AM 882 Views
Yes, the logical step is to go for Nordic style socialism. jh - 04/04/2013 03:19:17 PM 976 Views
well that and a tiny homogenous population funded by large oil reserves random thoughts - 04/04/2013 06:57:51 PM 942 Views
Eh, you're describing norway. jh - 04/04/2013 08:11:25 PM 876 Views
The Economist (of all people) was singing the praises of the Nordic countries recently. Legolas - 04/04/2013 08:49:36 PM 986 Views
Hey, guess what? nossy - 04/04/2013 08:55:59 PM 883 Views
Awesome. Legolas - 04/04/2013 09:22:13 PM 806 Views
Oh my gosh! nossy - 04/04/2013 09:27:17 PM 824 Views
Yes! Legolas - 04/04/2013 09:33:45 PM 869 Views
Yay! nossy - 04/04/2013 09:37:40 PM 944 Views
We're Maryland, actually, as I recall. Legolas - 04/04/2013 10:15:49 PM 869 Views
You need to vist Dallas or LA and tell me what qualifes for a large immigrant population random thoughts - 05/04/2013 03:23:13 AM 884 Views
Eh survival of the fittest Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 06:18:52 PM 1007 Views
Excuse me? nossy - 04/04/2013 08:42:24 PM 910 Views
Cry me a river Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 08:55:40 PM 936 Views
Funny. nossy - 04/04/2013 09:18:15 PM 935 Views
Re: Funny. Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:19:35 PM 931 Views
good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit moondog - 04/04/2013 10:38:45 PM 944 Views
Re: good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:49:14 PM 953 Views
Wow. nossy - 04/04/2013 11:27:06 PM 924 Views
Re: Wow. Nighthawk - 05/04/2013 12:18:08 AM 1057 Views
congrats on being part of the problem.... *NM* moondog - 05/04/2013 04:48:58 AM 507 Views
It's pointless to argue with those who don't understand the psychology of generational poverty. *NM* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 03:43:40 AM 474 Views
Clearly. *NM* nossy - 05/04/2013 07:32:21 PM 428 Views
Oh the "it's nobody's fault excuse" Nighthawk - 05/04/2013 08:56:51 PM 887 Views
Get back to me when you know wtf you're talking about. *NM* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 09:03:08 PM 461 Views
I'm back *NM* Nighthawk - 06/04/2013 01:40:47 AM 431 Views
You're over-generalizing a bit Isaac - 06/04/2013 01:49:02 AM 1057 Views
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