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And that is certainly your opinion.... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 04/04/2013 10:54:08 PM

But let's keep in mind, that it is your opinion. Your view of what you think society should be. There are others which have a different opinion (as evidenced in other threads in this post). Is it right to force your opinion on others who don't believe what you believe?

It is interesting that you would bring up the indivdiuals who self-medicate or make a choice that puts them in jail. Right there, you are making the assumption that we, as a society, are responsible for their behaviors....this comes back around to "saving" someone from themselves.

I'm just asking the following questions in a rhetorical way, not that I believe they are valid....

Why should I spend money on an individual who will make the decision to get strung out on drugs? Why would I spend money on an individual who makes the decision to break the law and get put in jail? These are extreme questions, but they are certainly the mindset of many (even if they are unspoken). Questions will inevitably come around to "Why should I spend money on people who can't be responsible with the little they have?"

Interestingly enough, we aren't a Christian Nation in thought, but certainly not in deed. Maybe we started out that way, but we're not anymore. This is evidenced that as a society, we aren't ashamed of sin...and in fact are fully willing to support a person in their sin. But that's a theological issue....

It is interesting that you feel that those who are born wealthy (however that wealth got there) have a duty to "pay it forward". How would you feel with someone forcing you to give your family's money to <insert poor person's name here>, who dropped out of school, has a pack of smokes a day habit, and chronic health issues due to being over-weight? This is the picture that many look at. Is that the norm? No. But that doesn't change the perception. What many rich people see is their money being given to those who are doing the daytime TV talkshow circuit on "Who's your baby daddy."

So then let me ask you a question directly. Why do you think that everyone should have an equal opportunity to succeed? I'm asking this honestly, because I want to know.

So here's just one thought from me. I'm essentially a stranger to you. If I disappeared one day, it may be remarked, it may not. But either way, I say this not to argue with you, but just to point something out for you to self-examine. Just like many on the other side make the assumption that the poor are lazy (and that's why they are where they are), you are likewise making the assumption that the million/billionaires are making the money "off the backs" of us poor cubical/manufacturing line/drones. Or that they don't want to let a penny slip out of their hands. When you phrase it like that, you do yourself a disservice.

~Jeordam

ex-Admin at wotmania (all things wot & art galleries)
Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
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Liberalism has officially failed - Poverty reaches 1960 levels - - 04/04/2013 12:33:15 AM 1325 Views
As has Conservatism. - 04/04/2013 12:37:23 AM 787 Views
I know it hurts.....but the truth about liberalism will set you free! - 04/04/2013 12:42:57 AM 903 Views
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HA! HA! In your dreams that's how liberalism works. How about..... - 04/04/2013 04:59:33 PM 774 Views
and lo, Jesus said unto the poor gathered to him: "begone freeloaders! the wealthy need more money" - 04/04/2013 06:43:32 PM 860 Views
Interestingly enough.... - 04/04/2013 09:20:06 PM 833 Views
Re: Interestingly enough.... - 04/04/2013 09:31:27 PM 848 Views
Well here is where theology gets fun.... - 04/04/2013 09:48:50 PM 877 Views
The entire post...as well as many of the sub-threads....prompts the question of: - 04/04/2013 09:39:16 PM 874 Views
it depends on what your definition of "succeed" is i guess.... - 04/04/2013 10:27:30 PM 931 Views
And that is certainly your opinion.... - 04/04/2013 10:54:08 PM 921 Views
Re: And that is certainly your opinion.... - 04/04/2013 11:57:34 PM 1004 Views
Hmm good questions - 04/04/2013 10:29:45 PM 923 Views
you contradicted yourself - 04/04/2013 10:44:47 PM 817 Views
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i think i understand where you're coming from.... - 05/04/2013 07:33:32 PM 895 Views
I see the problem - 04/04/2013 06:45:53 PM 852 Views
since you don't trust the gov't, what are you doing to help the poor survive? - 04/04/2013 12:58:49 AM 929 Views
A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... - 04/04/2013 04:15:32 AM 824 Views
Re: A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... - 04/04/2013 06:42:00 PM 959 Views
Perhaps its time to try a little fact checking. - 04/04/2013 03:34:44 AM 1095 Views
I'm happy you agree with me, liberalism has failed and it's time for something different. - 04/04/2013 03:47:17 AM 801 Views
Oh the cleverness of you. - 04/04/2013 03:52:07 AM 981 Views
Wow, I'm shocked. Yes, let's stick with the failed status quo. Good plan! - 04/04/2013 04:17:32 AM 756 Views
Who said anything about the status quo? I just said I didn't agree with your solution. *NM* - 04/04/2013 04:19:37 AM 492 Views
Then time to step up, what's your idea? - 04/04/2013 04:22:58 AM 750 Views
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How typicaly conservative! And no. - 04/04/2013 02:05:00 PM 791 Views
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Liberalism & Conservatism 'officially fail' about ever other year I've noticed, still around though *NM* - 04/04/2013 09:02:42 AM 397 Views
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Yes, the logical step is to go for Nordic style socialism. - 04/04/2013 03:19:17 PM 869 Views
well that and a tiny homogenous population funded by large oil reserves - 04/04/2013 06:57:51 PM 818 Views
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The Economist (of all people) was singing the praises of the Nordic countries recently. - 04/04/2013 08:49:36 PM 833 Views
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good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit - 04/04/2013 10:38:45 PM 837 Views
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congrats on being part of the problem.... *NM* - 05/04/2013 04:48:58 AM 453 Views
It's pointless to argue with those who don't understand the psychology of generational poverty. *NM* - 05/04/2013 03:43:40 AM 409 Views
Clearly. *NM* - 05/04/2013 07:32:21 PM 376 Views
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