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You're over-generalizing a bit Isaac Send a noteboard - 06/04/2013 01:49:02 AM

View original postI forgot that nobody believes in personal responsibility anymore.

Personal responsibility is something we need more of and we need to impress upon everyone how vital that is to improving the human condition, every bit as important as a full stomach and more so. But we also can't be blind to real hurdles in opportunity presented by things like generational poverty. It's not a blank check to set low goals or forgive crimes and I'm not suggesting we should dump more money into the various mostly feel-good urban renewal projects and similar but there's a difference between not accepting any of the current proposed solutions as morally valid and financially efficient and just writing the whole problem off like it doesn't exist.

As a general note, I don't know if you're dead serious or engaging in a bit of hyperbole but whichever the case sounding like the antagonist from a Dickens novel ain't exactly helping the anti-welfare-state brand name. The general goal of that cause is to convince people that the welfare state reinforces generational poverty and feelings of depression and being trapped, not to say we have no responsibility to the poor. In fact it doesn't matter if we have that responsibility or not, as the philosophy revolves around the notion that enhancing feelings of self-determination, the control of ones own fate, represents a profitable investment; lowering crime and law enforcement cost and raising the tax base and pool of innovators and makers. Personally I think there's a moral imperative in there too, but that's merely an added personal incentive.

So again, big difference between noting a slum is a gigantic soul-crushing pit that imports money and exports crime and despair, and just shrugging it off with a fuck 'em attitude.

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
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Liberalism has officially failed - Poverty reaches 1960 levels - - 04/04/2013 12:33:15 AM 1225 Views
As has Conservatism. - 04/04/2013 12:37:23 AM 724 Views
I know it hurts.....but the truth about liberalism will set you free! - 04/04/2013 12:42:57 AM 840 Views
Have you ever tried to fish when really hungry? - 04/04/2013 06:32:17 AM 750 Views
HA! HA! In your dreams that's how liberalism works. How about..... - 04/04/2013 04:59:33 PM 691 Views
and lo, Jesus said unto the poor gathered to him: "begone freeloaders! the wealthy need more money" - 04/04/2013 06:43:32 PM 799 Views
Interestingly enough.... - 04/04/2013 09:20:06 PM 744 Views
Re: Interestingly enough.... - 04/04/2013 09:31:27 PM 756 Views
Well here is where theology gets fun.... - 04/04/2013 09:48:50 PM 800 Views
The entire post...as well as many of the sub-threads....prompts the question of: - 04/04/2013 09:39:16 PM 805 Views
it depends on what your definition of "succeed" is i guess.... - 04/04/2013 10:27:30 PM 853 Views
And that is certainly your opinion.... - 04/04/2013 10:54:08 PM 849 Views
Re: And that is certainly your opinion.... - 04/04/2013 11:57:34 PM 924 Views
Hmm good questions - 04/04/2013 10:29:45 PM 840 Views
you contradicted yourself - 04/04/2013 10:44:47 PM 747 Views
Re: you contradicted yourself - 04/04/2013 10:54:35 PM 829 Views
i think i understand where you're coming from.... - 05/04/2013 07:33:32 PM 805 Views
I see the problem - 04/04/2013 06:45:53 PM 753 Views
since you don't trust the gov't, what are you doing to help the poor survive? - 04/04/2013 12:58:49 AM 845 Views
A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... - 04/04/2013 04:15:32 AM 732 Views
Re: A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... - 04/04/2013 06:42:00 PM 859 Views
Perhaps its time to try a little fact checking. - 04/04/2013 03:34:44 AM 1017 Views
I'm happy you agree with me, liberalism has failed and it's time for something different. - 04/04/2013 03:47:17 AM 724 Views
Oh the cleverness of you. - 04/04/2013 03:52:07 AM 892 Views
Wow, I'm shocked. Yes, let's stick with the failed status quo. Good plan! - 04/04/2013 04:17:32 AM 678 Views
Who said anything about the status quo? I just said I didn't agree with your solution. *NM* - 04/04/2013 04:19:37 AM 448 Views
Then time to step up, what's your idea? - 04/04/2013 04:22:58 AM 672 Views
As you might say, "What do you expect, a free ride?" - 04/04/2013 11:45:02 AM 894 Views
How typicaly conservative! And no. - 04/04/2013 02:05:00 PM 714 Views
Agreed and this is how we will finance such a move - 04/04/2013 04:01:46 AM 798 Views
I'm glad you agree! - 04/04/2013 04:21:25 AM 746 Views
No, in Europe, liberalism is generally successful - 04/04/2013 06:15:34 AM 730 Views
Liberalism & Conservatism 'officially fail' about ever other year I've noticed, still around though *NM* - 04/04/2013 09:02:42 AM 355 Views
Yes. I wonder if there will ever be an age of fiscally responsible/conservative liberals. - 05/04/2013 03:41:09 AM 798 Views
I guess it depends on how you define the terms - 05/04/2013 08:52:25 AM 953 Views
*nod* - 05/04/2013 01:30:47 PM 794 Views
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Off topic: are you gardening yet? - 05/04/2013 02:25:06 PM 645 Views
Initial stuff - 05/04/2013 03:21:25 PM 638 Views
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It's a bit newer because of the price, that's been dropping - 06/04/2013 01:20:10 AM 789 Views
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Yes, the logical step is to go for Nordic style socialism. - 04/04/2013 03:19:17 PM 776 Views
well that and a tiny homogenous population funded by large oil reserves - 04/04/2013 06:57:51 PM 748 Views
Eh, you're describing norway. - 04/04/2013 08:11:25 PM 707 Views
The Economist (of all people) was singing the praises of the Nordic countries recently. - 04/04/2013 08:49:36 PM 759 Views
Hey, guess what? - 04/04/2013 08:55:59 PM 716 Views
Awesome. - 04/04/2013 09:22:13 PM 629 Views
Oh my gosh! - 04/04/2013 09:27:17 PM 657 Views
Yes! - 04/04/2013 09:33:45 PM 687 Views
Yay! - 04/04/2013 09:37:40 PM 721 Views
We're Maryland, actually, as I recall. - 04/04/2013 10:15:49 PM 676 Views
Eh survival of the fittest - 04/04/2013 06:18:52 PM 817 Views
Excuse me? - 04/04/2013 08:42:24 PM 732 Views
Cry me a river - 04/04/2013 08:55:40 PM 755 Views
Funny. - 04/04/2013 09:18:15 PM 751 Views
Re: Funny. - 04/04/2013 10:19:35 PM 758 Views
good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit - 04/04/2013 10:38:45 PM 767 Views
Re: good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit - 04/04/2013 10:49:14 PM 743 Views
Wow. - 04/04/2013 11:27:06 PM 760 Views
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congrats on being part of the problem.... *NM* - 05/04/2013 04:48:58 AM 388 Views
It's pointless to argue with those who don't understand the psychology of generational poverty. *NM* - 05/04/2013 03:43:40 AM 376 Views
Clearly. *NM* - 05/04/2013 07:32:21 PM 337 Views
Oh the "it's nobody's fault excuse" - 05/04/2013 08:56:51 PM 716 Views
Get back to me when you know wtf you're talking about. *NM* - 05/04/2013 09:03:08 PM 368 Views
I'm back *NM* - 06/04/2013 01:40:47 AM 350 Views
You're over-generalizing a bit - 06/04/2013 01:49:02 AM 836 Views

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