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Finacial problems are technical problems Isaac Send a noteboard - 25/04/2013 10:19:17 PM

View original postCan they do it on 6 billion? I doubt it. Could they do it today with unlimited funding? From what I've read, yes.

That old Archimedes quip about a big enough lever is largely accurate, give me unlimited resources but only modern tech and moving a spaceship to Mars is minor, we could move the whole damn solar system by suspending reflective statites over the Sun.

If we could afford to throw a few megatons into LEO, and we technically can though there are better things to do with the money, then yeah, we can "Get your ass to Mars", so to speak. Radiation shielding, supplies, all of that is just about mass. Take Radiation Shielding, that is about area, but mass is about volume. So a cylinder budgeted to have only a tenth of its mass as shielding has a lot better shielding if it is twice as wide because it can hold four times the stuff and only needs double the shielding. Hell, give me a cylinder 100 meters in radius and we won't even have to worry about health effects of weightlessness, we can spin it twice a minute and have half earth gravity to get them used to lower Martian but with minimal health issues and that's wide enough to avoid the problems associated to spin-gravity. So yeah, with a big fuel budget the technical issues aren't only not a problem but actually a lot smaller.

But fuel is an issue, because it cost us around ~$10,000 per kilogram to get to LEO and that means ferrying up a megaton, around a billion kg, would cost us around 10 trillion dollars. Is it doable? Sure. Do we need a full megaton? No, hardly, and that's where the problem arises. Every time we shave off mass to shave off cost we increase those 'technical problems'. It's like building a mile high skyscraper. Can we do it? Sure, absolutely. Should we with current tech and situation? Hell no. Even if people gave the thumbs up to a trillion-dollar expedition, which is what I'd want to do it, I'd still say no. A Mars colony is an utter waste of time until we get better tech, and a trip to Mars for no other purpose but to plant the flag is stupid. Until we jump some more technical hurdles.

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If you could, would you move permanently to Mars? - 24/04/2013 03:30:55 AM 1456 Views
You want to go where? *NM* - 24/04/2013 06:29:07 AM 411 Views
Have you read the 'Mars' trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson? - 24/04/2013 06:37:26 AM 897 Views
Well, I'll look into it. - 24/04/2013 07:13:05 PM 788 Views
"Digital Descendants" - 25/04/2013 09:30:54 PM 797 Views
I think it's incredible that such a thing is even being attempted - 24/04/2013 08:13:16 AM 880 Views
I know. It really perplexes me that so many people are so down on it. - 24/04/2013 07:19:42 PM 827 Views
I am not gonna lie - 24/04/2013 08:24:57 AM 823 Views
No, and definitely not with this group - 24/04/2013 10:26:03 AM 899 Views
What's the problem, technically? - 24/04/2013 07:24:22 PM 798 Views
Basically? Mass and redundancy - 24/04/2013 10:40:30 PM 709 Views
The mass is what I wondered about. - 24/04/2013 11:03:36 PM 748 Views
Fuel costs are linear to mass, total costs are probably less - 25/04/2013 12:20:55 AM 703 Views
To put this in perspective, adding to Issac's points - 25/04/2013 01:50:38 AM 769 Views
That's not really a fair comparison. - 25/04/2013 08:18:35 PM 715 Views
Re: That's not really a fair comparison. - 26/04/2013 02:22:18 AM 682 Views
Re: That's not really a fair comparison. - 26/04/2013 08:58:45 PM 868 Views
I agree with your points, but you've still only listed financial (not technical) problems. - 25/04/2013 08:22:25 PM 730 Views
Finacial problems are technical problems - 25/04/2013 10:19:17 PM 728 Views
Maybe we just have different definitions. - 26/04/2013 09:25:33 PM 771 Views
Re: Maybe we just have different definitions. - 26/04/2013 10:54:11 PM 727 Views
So, suppose someone put you in charge. - 27/04/2013 02:14:44 AM 750 Views
Well that would be a bad idea, but... - 27/04/2013 03:29:47 PM 857 Views
Ask me when I am 60, I adored the Mar Trilogy though *NM* - 24/04/2013 12:54:58 PM 449 Views
It's all about prospects and hard work. - 24/04/2013 03:16:56 PM 856 Views
I wouldn't go like that. - 24/04/2013 05:15:09 PM 768 Views
No, but I wouldn't mind sending a few people there - 25/04/2013 01:52:56 AM 777 Views
Not with that. - 25/04/2013 07:32:40 PM 713 Views
Probably. - 26/04/2013 10:02:58 PM 655 Views
This is by far the most elaborate form of suicide ever proposed. - 10/08/2013 08:04:43 AM 1410 Views

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