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As would I, that's for sure. Legolas Send a noteboard - 24/09/2013 08:44:31 PM

View original postAll I can say is that ObamaCare has been terrible for me and my family. I would far prefer socialized medicine to ObamaCare. I would also be happy to go back to the pre-ObamaCare situation if we had to. When my first daughter was born, insurance covered most of it and I paid about $1000. That was before ObamaCare, in December 2008. When my second daughter was born, this past June, the insurance company (which already gets hideously high amounts of money due to the increases in premiums) made me pay "coinsurance" in addition to a copay, and the cost that I had to pay was over $9000. I don't know how people making less money can even afford it.

Solving the problems with the American health care system was never going to be easy, and while I think it's an incontrovertible fact that it sucked and did need radical improvement, it's not obvious to me whether Obamacare has improved things, even on the balance (that there will always be losers and winners is nearly unavoidable with such a change). Many in Europe assume that it must be a good thing because it moves somewhat in the direction of socialized medicine - but it doesn't really, and in this case looking for the middle road is not necessarily a good thing, anyway.

For what it's worth, I think parents here generally pay something like 2000-3000 dollars out of their own purse for births (without complications), though if I'm not mistaken that does include a significantly longer stay in the hospital after birth than in the US (which one might argue is not really strictly necessary in a large majority of cases). Socialized medicine certainly doesn't always mean that the taxpayer funds everything - few countries with socialized medicine would implement something like Medicare. Which brings us back to the American system having some of the worst elements of both worlds. But even among the radical Republicans, few have the guts to take on Medicare frontally...

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I assume the purpose of this post was ranting and provoking heated reactions for your amusement? - 24/09/2013 08:16:14 PM 688 Views
I assumed that was the point of the post. - 24/09/2013 08:25:16 PM 565 Views
As would I, that's for sure. - 24/09/2013 08:44:31 PM 688 Views
There is a viral FB post out there - 24/09/2013 09:16:22 PM 629 Views
Is there any chance of that happening? - 26/09/2013 07:21:51 PM 601 Views
consider this my swan song - 24/09/2013 09:39:02 PM 645 Views
gross accumulation of wealth of real problem I am just not sure how you find a solution - 28/09/2013 04:21:37 PM 524 Views
That doesn't happen that easily. - 28/09/2013 10:31:40 PM 611 Views
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The Affordable Care Act has nothing to do with affordability. - 24/09/2013 08:46:15 PM 698 Views
I remember people complaining when their patriotism was questioned, thought they had a valid beef... - 25/09/2013 05:57:52 AM 596 Views
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Yeah, they're out of touch with reality, Mr. Peaceful Protest = terrorism, sure, gotcha - 28/09/2013 01:41:55 AM 669 Views
fucking over millions of people's lives is NOT "peaceful protest" - 01/10/2013 09:04:30 PM 694 Views
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It isn't hypberbole tyo him it is his reality - 02/10/2013 03:47:30 AM 544 Views
I was with you until you engaged in your own hyperbole in that last line. *NM* - 02/10/2013 06:05:12 PM 329 Views
I thought it was more of simple observation - 04/10/2013 02:21:32 AM 491 Views
You have an amazingly cherry-picked view of the world don't you? Peaceful protests often hurt people - 01/10/2013 10:20:43 PM 544 Views
yeah, you keep believing that. i suppose black is now white as well? - 01/10/2013 11:28:58 PM 584 Views
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I had hoped - 02/10/2013 08:43:58 AM 605 Views
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Congress is given teh power of the purse so it is the left who is threatening a shut down - 26/09/2013 12:59:20 PM 555 Views
Both right and wrong. - 26/09/2013 04:55:36 PM 534 Views
sorry but that doesn't change the power of the purse - 28/09/2013 04:06:53 PM 671 Views
Pretty much my take for the last two years; the GOP is pulling an Arafat: "95% is not good enough!" - 27/09/2013 01:12:53 AM 679 Views
funny how the media celibrated the silly twit from Fort Worth for doing basically the same thing *NM* - 28/09/2013 04:19:31 PM 345 Views

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