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I'm a republican, and a party officer at that, so I agree with the party most of the time and support their actions most of the time and those don't always overlap. The reason I haven't expressed an opinion about the Shutdown is I don't have an opinion on the shutdown, that's not very unusual, I'm often of two minds about our policies. Mostly I just don't see it as a big deal. After the fact people over-analyze the hell out of this stuff, assign blame or victory, and its mostly made up nonsense. Most people didn't a give a damn about prior shutdowns more than during them and a few weeks afterwards. Pundits come out and rewrite history to imply otherwise. If the President blinks before the House does, then it was a good idea, if they blink before he does, then it wasn't. If the GOP leadership thought with good reason base don available data that they had better than coin flip odds of coming out a head then they are right to do this, if not then not.

Well it definitely didn't help him. There were a lot of factors in play on that administration's various spectacular fumbles. At the time the democrat party was not very cohesive.


Thanks for the response Isaac. With the power the media has, pundits coming out about past events, can potentially help sway current events, help affect who blinks first, which may be part of the reason why they offer opinions.

It will be interesting to see who blinks first, from what I've seen of Obama's presidency, he seems to have had a tendency to blink first in the past, which may make him more or less likely to blink in this instance, than if he hadn't had that history.

Certainly a gamble for GOP, but I think that even if Obama blinks first, there is still a risk that it will overall backfire on the republicans.

Regarding the democrats under Jimmy Carter, I think from what I've read of american political history (I tend to like to read odd things ) differing parties at times have had problems with cohesiveness, and with the Tea Party, the GOP seems to be at risk in that regard.

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consider this my swan song moondog - 24/09/2013 09:39:02 PM 645 Views
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only the far left would call this a coup random thoughts - 28/09/2013 04:13:18 PM 687 Views
A minority of a minority forcing its will on the majority in defiance of rule of law is a coup. Joel - 28/09/2013 11:17:43 PM 585 Views
gross accumulation of wealth of real problem I am just not sure how you find a solution random thoughts - 28/09/2013 04:21:37 PM 524 Views
That doesn't happen that easily. Legolas - 28/09/2013 10:31:40 PM 610 Views
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I remember people complaining when their patriotism was questioned, thought they had a valid beef... Isaac - 25/09/2013 05:57:52 AM 596 Views
i'm sorry your party has gone off the deep end and can't tell reality from their ass moondog - 27/09/2013 05:24:52 PM 590 Views
Yeah, they're out of touch with reality, Mr. Peaceful Protest = terrorism, sure, gotcha Isaac - 28/09/2013 01:41:55 AM 669 Views
Re: Yeah, they're out of touch with reality, Mr. Peaceful Protest = terrorism, sure, gotcha everynametaken - 29/09/2013 03:51:06 AM 593 Views
fucking over millions of people's lives is NOT "peaceful protest" moondog - 01/10/2013 09:04:30 PM 694 Views
I agree. The ACA is akin to domestic terrorism because it is fucking over millions of peoples' lives Tom - 01/10/2013 10:00:59 PM 829 Views
just because you won't benefit doesn't mean it isn't helping moondog - 01/10/2013 11:27:10 PM 557 Views
Oh, please. Cut the fucking hyperbole. Tom - 02/10/2013 02:54:31 AM 575 Views
It isn't hypberbole tyo him it is his reality random thoughts - 02/10/2013 03:47:30 AM 544 Views
I was with you until you engaged in your own hyperbole in that last line. *NM* Legolas - 02/10/2013 06:05:12 PM 329 Views
I thought it was more of simple observation random thoughts - 04/10/2013 02:21:32 AM 491 Views
Bringing up the Nazis or other totalitarian regimes hardly counts as "simple observation". Legolas - 04/10/2013 06:40:16 PM 599 Views
the far right scares me as much if not more than the far left random thoughts - 05/10/2013 05:21:22 AM 605 Views
You have an amazingly cherry-picked view of the world don't you? Peaceful protests often hurt people Isaac - 01/10/2013 10:20:43 PM 543 Views
yeah, you keep believing that. i suppose black is now white as well? moondog - 01/10/2013 11:28:58 PM 583 Views
If you insist on seeing everything as black and white it really doesn't matter which is which Isaac - 02/10/2013 12:07:51 AM 508 Views
I had hoped gban007 - 02/10/2013 08:43:58 AM 605 Views
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funny how the media celibrated the silly twit from Fort Worth for doing basically the same thing *NM* random thoughts - 28/09/2013 04:19:31 PM 345 Views
Yes, opposing an effective statewide ban on ALL abortion (for ALL reasons) is extremist Joel - 28/09/2013 11:22:32 PM 535 Views
you would have a point if you posistion approached reality instead of being extermist blather random thoughts - 30/09/2013 01:58:13 PM 546 Views
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no all TX abortion clince have to meet the same standards as outpatient surgical centers. random thoughts - 30/09/2013 11:29:48 PM 506 Views
"... mandate[s]... a doctor who performs abortions have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital." Joel - 02/10/2013 01:54:41 AM 705 Views
You miss a lot of points random thoughts - 02/10/2013 03:37:00 AM 547 Views
Like where Wendy Davis threatened to shut down TX unless she got her way. Joel - 02/10/2013 06:49:52 AM 604 Views
Like I said you support grandstanding as long as it is your side doing it random thoughts - 04/10/2013 02:20:09 AM 541 Views
Neither shut down government? Sorry; I did not realize the US government was and has been open. Joel - 05/10/2013 12:49:50 AM 646 Views
I guess you also didn't realize Cruz is a senator. Unless of courrse you blame the senate? random thoughts - 05/10/2013 05:16:01 AM 568 Views
GOP Rep. on the shutdowns future: "You really have to call Cruz, I'm not even joking about that." Joel - 05/10/2013 03:59:01 PM 726 Views
Joel do youeven understand what you say? random thoughts - 06/10/2013 04:09:50 PM 573 Views
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