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Make up your mind, you complained early that you weren't getting paid Isaac Send a noteboard - 11/10/2013 11:21:57 PM

The president has made it clear he isn't interested in reforming Obamacare and any discussion over it - of which there has been tons - is doomed while the current program exists. It is too much of a shaky mess and needs rebuilt up separately from the ground up. That's one of the problems with it, the thing is a giant interconnected mess that falls apart if you remove bits. That's why it needs repealed entirely. I have no problem with extracting public promises that X or Y will be included and will be done by Z date but it needs to be built from the ground up, and by both parties, as it should have been done in the first place. Whether or not you want to accept it or not, the left wildly overreached in 2009 mistaking Anti-Bush sentiment for pro-left sentiment. I don't doubt the right would have done the same and has before, but it doesn't change that the support for Obamacare as is just wasn't there and in almost 4 years of trying to convince people its good sentiment against it has actually risen and that's because its an awful hodge-podge of half assed measure that are worse than what we had or single payer. It needs scrapped and replaced, not repaired. Again if the left wants to extract sworn pacts that ti will be replaced and include X before voting to kill it, I'm fine by that and most republicans would be too.

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Government "shutdown" my ass..... - 06/10/2013 06:48:02 PM 1774 Views
Why would your government shut down your ass? - 06/10/2013 08:03:57 PM 1393 Views
Actually, it is... - 07/10/2013 04:12:30 AM 1209 Views
Must we do this again? - 07/10/2013 05:45:00 AM 1185 Views
Not to mention they've gerrymandered like there's no tomorrow. - 07/10/2013 05:49:23 PM 1083 Views
I hope we do default. - 07/10/2013 07:04:24 PM 1081 Views
Uhm. - 07/10/2013 09:09:45 PM 952 Views
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You see in America we don't shoot stupid - 08/10/2013 06:59:53 AM 1000 Views
never going to happen - 08/10/2013 01:13:10 PM 1191 Views
When gerrymandering there is no tomorrow, just the current decade - 07/10/2013 07:29:39 PM 1098 Views
I'm curious as to why you say "unpopular bill" here - 08/10/2013 09:02:49 AM 1125 Views
Force of habit or slip of tongue, "Unpopular set of laws" - 08/10/2013 03:05:18 PM 1129 Views
Ha! - 09/10/2013 08:37:25 AM 1113 Views
Bad enough, no? - 08/10/2013 06:32:06 PM 951 Views
Certainly - 08/10/2013 08:23:34 PM 1235 Views
give a coherent reason for the shutdown and the label of economic terrorist will go away - 07/10/2013 08:11:27 PM 1206 Views
Why should I try to discourage you from using a label that makes you look like a fanatic? - 07/10/2013 09:23:40 PM 1088 Views
i guess i should have put the disclaimer you asked for so you would know to be offended, is that it? - 07/10/2013 10:49:43 PM 1077 Views
It's pretty fucking sad any of us think we need a reason to act civilly, courtesy is its own reward *NM* - 08/10/2013 07:50:00 AM 649 Views
So you mean I shouldn't call you "an uncle fucking horsefucker" then? - 08/10/2013 09:04:06 AM 1032 Views
That's correct Larry, that would be unproductive - 08/10/2013 04:04:39 PM 1121 Views
Of course it would; I rarely use such words toward people who might be still involved in a convo - 09/10/2013 08:39:22 AM 980 Views
Re: Of course it would; [...] - 09/10/2013 05:25:28 PM 1044 Views
hey, i've given plenty of reasonable alternatives, i don't see why you can't compromise with me *NM* - 08/10/2013 10:09:44 PM 560 Views
Compromises? You've called my party terrorists and made it clear it wasn't hyperbole in your eyes - 08/10/2013 10:23:05 PM 1101 Views
read what you wrote, direct it at your party, and look up "satire" if you still don't get it..... *NM* - 08/10/2013 10:43:31 PM 658 Views
It's always painful when people think they're being funny or clever rather than sullen - 08/10/2013 11:33:36 PM 1044 Views
remember that time when the Dems shut down the government to stop the iraq war? oh wait.... - 09/10/2013 12:42:53 AM 1088 Views
Probably a bad analogy pick, many of the Dem-initiated shutdowns were over defense spending - 09/10/2013 01:11:38 AM 999 Views
ok, henceforth instead of terrorists i will use "tea-hadists". is that more to your liking? - 09/10/2013 10:26:36 PM 1218 Views
No. Overdue, insincere, and half-assed attempts at marginal courtesy is not 'to my liking' - 09/10/2013 10:40:57 PM 1065 Views
and here is the big picture, in a nutshell - 10/10/2013 12:26:18 AM 1136 Views
"Here's the big picture" remarks shouldn't start by complaining about your personal paycheck - 10/10/2013 12:37:34 AM 1056 Views
i think 800,000 federal workers would disagree but YMMV - 10/10/2013 12:44:29 AM 1319 Views
The GOP House already voted to give them back pay - 10/10/2013 01:21:27 AM 1053 Views
the House is good at making empty gestures without actually addressing the causes - 11/10/2013 05:17:34 PM 1137 Views
How is agreeing to backpay an empty gesture? - 11/10/2013 05:37:58 PM 1433 Views
it's empty because the shutdown persists. end the shutdown and they won't need back pay - 11/10/2013 11:02:20 PM 1144 Views
Make up your mind, you complained early that you weren't getting paid - 11/10/2013 11:21:57 PM 1016 Views
That's about it. - 09/10/2013 12:36:30 AM 927 Views
Also, I wish you wouldn't egg them on - 07/10/2013 05:46:20 AM 1082 Views
While I agree with your sentiment, "Big Government" is not a cause. - 07/10/2013 03:34:40 PM 1374 Views
Wow. Been a long time since we had a thread like this. I like it! :-) *NM* - 10/10/2013 03:55:50 AM 586 Views

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