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It always goes from it doesn't hurt anyone to the whole world has to change accommodate me *NM* random thoughts Send a noteboard - 10/03/2017 02:46:38 AM

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View original postThose who are physically one gender, yet they feel they are the other gender. Or people who are physically one race, yet they feel they are another race. These are two contemporary examples.


View original postI'd say as far as race goes, this is a question of a few individuals - this isn't exactly a thing. So I'll limit myself to the gender part.


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View original postWhy are we, as an individual or a society, making the assumption that their feeling or their mental desire is the "correct" setting, while the reality of the situation is another? Manning, Jenner, Cher's child, the Wachowski siblings...each of these was born as one gender, and they have taken steps towards the other. Why is this not seen as a mental health issue? We treat people with other type of body dismorphia conditions (anorexia for example). Why not these as well?


View original postI guess I would say because we generally view people's inner self as having primacy over the outer self, and hence respect their right to try and make their exterior reflect their inner self? Mind over matter, so to speak - seems like a concept Christians could generally get behind.


View original postIt IS in fact defined as a mental health issue (now that you clarified how you defined this), in the sense that gender dysphoria is indeed included in standard lists of psychological disorders, like the DSM 5. It's just that the best solution for it in many cases is to accept it rather than fight it, because after all why not do what makes you happy, if it doesn't hurt either others or yourself?


View original postIn that sense it's different from the large majority of other 'mental health issues' which either make the patient unhappy in a way that cannot be resolved, or cause danger or harm or impairment to the patient, or pose a risk to others (or some combination of those).


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View original postAnd I would challenge the statement that "doesn't everyone have at least some kind of mental health issue". I don't. Most everyone I know doesn't have any mental health issue. I'm not plagued with OCD, body dismorphia, clinical depression, clinical anxiety, bipolar or any other assortment of mental health issues. The fact that we, as a society, are willing to talk about it now and help people address their issues is fantastic.


View original postI was just pointing out how vague a description 'mental health issue' is - it could mean almost anything, down to someone waking up in a bad mood for no discernible reason. But you clarified you meant it in a much more specific sense, so okay.

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Self-Identification vs. Mental Health Issue *trigger warning* Jeordam - 06/03/2017 08:53:17 PM 740 Views
I have to say I'm very confused about what your question is... and I don't think it's just me. Legolas - 07/03/2017 12:04:27 AM 469 Views
Yes, I'm talking about... Jeordam - 07/03/2017 05:03:18 PM 472 Views
Okay, clear. Legolas - 07/03/2017 06:50:00 PM 480 Views
<3 *NM* nossy - 07/03/2017 06:57:23 PM 219 Views
Mind over Matter? Jeordam - 07/03/2017 09:06:53 PM 455 Views
Mind over body might've been more apt. I believe I did answer your question actually. Legolas - 07/03/2017 10:41:01 PM 525 Views
Let's be clear.... Jeordam - 07/03/2017 11:17:02 PM 436 Views
By all means. Legolas - 07/03/2017 11:58:41 PM 438 Views
Well that's the crux of the topic isn't it.... Jeordam - 08/03/2017 05:48:50 PM 380 Views
That takes us right back to body vs mind, doesn't it? Legolas - 08/03/2017 07:13:32 PM 421 Views
Well that would be the difference... Jeordam - 08/03/2017 08:54:59 PM 462 Views
So do tell me what in fact the purpose of our discussion is, then? Legolas - 08/03/2017 09:40:09 PM 432 Views
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That brings us all the way back around.... Jeordam - 08/03/2017 09:05:40 PM 463 Views
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Two things... Jeordam - 09/03/2017 05:50:32 PM 408 Views
you're missing a rather obvious difference, aren't you? damookster - 08/03/2017 09:50:09 PM 436 Views
Yeah, Snoop was just saying the same. nossy - 08/03/2017 10:14:41 PM 485 Views
Well now we are bridging a rather big gap.... Jeordam - 09/03/2017 07:12:26 PM 463 Views
Re: Well now we are bridging a rather big gap.... nossy - 09/03/2017 08:52:30 PM 541 Views
So two conversations now..... Jeordam - 09/03/2017 09:39:55 PM 445 Views
Re: So two conversations now..... nossy - 09/03/2017 10:23:39 PM 428 Views
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Sure about that? damookster - 09/03/2017 08:53:14 PM 422 Views
It's a mater of persepctive.... Jeordam - 09/03/2017 09:12:09 PM 431 Views
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sure, could be damookster - 09/03/2017 11:56:31 PM 398 Views
I feel like this has been said several times already, in several ways Sareitha Sedai - 10/03/2017 04:10:27 PM 434 Views
It has been said, and I understand what is being said... Jeordam - 10/03/2017 06:01:06 PM 439 Views
Re: It has been said, and I understand what is being said... Sareitha Sedai - 10/03/2017 07:58:57 PM 442 Views
I find your wording problematic and agenda driven. damookster - 07/03/2017 11:58:03 PM 461 Views
I appolozie if I offended Jeordam - 08/03/2017 06:18:41 PM 432 Views
no worries damookster - 08/03/2017 06:36:10 PM 454 Views
It always goes from it doesn't hurt anyone to the whole world has to change accommodate me *NM* random thoughts - 10/03/2017 02:46:38 AM 267 Views
That's true - doesn't change the issue as such but certainly there's intolerance on that side too. *NM* Legolas - 10/03/2017 07:45:43 AM 208 Views
Both extremes are dangerous random thoughts - 10/03/2017 12:59:41 PM 479 Views
Take your trigger warnings back to tumblr where they belong ßelals Girl - 07/03/2017 12:21:05 PM 542 Views
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So I could self-identify aerocontrols - 08/03/2017 12:36:39 AM 378 Views
I read through this thread. kazetaran - 10/03/2017 12:44:03 AM 593 Views
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