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Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky were all bloodthirsty mass murderers. Tom Send a noteboard - 14/03/2017 08:59:06 PM

We remember Stalin because he had the most time to achieve his ends, but it was Lenin who laid the foundations of everything Stalin did. He had the same casual indifference to human suffering and he acted on it. He ordered mass executions of "class enemies" - intellectuals, the clergy, the nobility and anyone who was even moderately wealthy. The first mass arrests of political enemies (and mass executions in basements of the secret service) were ordered directly by Lenin. He had the poet Nikolai Gumilev shot for being a Social Revolutionary. But what else would one expect from someone who seized power by illegal coup in order to invalidate the results of the election that was to take place a few weeks later, in which the Bolsheviks were set to come in a distant second to the Social Revolutionaries? He cared only for power and keeping it, and all means were acceptable to him.

He authorized the use of chemical weapons against villages in the Tambov region when they refused to give up grain to the Bolsheviks (as it would mean starvation), long before Hitler or Saddam used chemical weapons against innocents. He systemically starved regions, using hunger as a direct weapon. He condoned the use of torture, rape and execution against his enemies, he murdered prisoners of war, he instituted forced labor for political enemies, set up the first concentration camps of the modern fashion and he looted the entire nation in order to pay for world revolution. He murdered the Tsar and betrayed his own nation to the Germans. On all counts - foreign policy, domestic policy, justice, economics - he was a monster. I don't mind leaving him as a dessicated mummy in his mausoleum to the extent that turning his corpse into a freak show is the closest thing to allowing us to piss on his body that we will get, but I think Russia would be better off throwing what's left of him into the river.

Trotsky may, if anything, have been worse than both Lenin and Stalin. Certainly, his record as chief of the Red Army shows his willingness to use violence, but his fanatic adherence to the notion of world revolution led him to suggest, in his writings, that the family unit be destroyed and replaced with workers' collectives in which people lived in barracks in privation working for nothing until the world revolution succeeded (which, essentially, was calling for the entire nation to be turned into a Gulag). It's clear why his fellow Bolsheviks sidelined him, and why when Stalin's agents got an icepick into his brain he was generally isolated, without friends and seen as irrelevant anyway. I think the real reason Stalin killed him was that he didn't want anyone to think they could ever "get away". It is clear Stalin didn't see him as a real threat (though he used Trotsky's name liberally when sentencing others to death).

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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Fascinating stuff - 13/03/2017 10:52:58 PM 317 Views
Who knows? It could have been worse off. - 13/03/2017 11:37:54 PM 408 Views
What's your opinion on Lenin? - 14/03/2017 02:06:59 AM 352 Views
Lenin. A monster. - 14/03/2017 12:55:18 PM 381 Views
Thanks. I'll ask him too. *NM* - 14/03/2017 03:01:36 PM 185 Views
Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky were all bloodthirsty mass murderers. - 14/03/2017 08:59:06 PM 406 Views
That's fascinating. But give me a book recommendation! - 14/03/2017 09:15:57 PM 318 Views
Start with a general history of Russia - 14/03/2017 10:17:22 PM 429 Views
Excellent. Thank you. It's next on the list. - 15/03/2017 02:11:14 AM 387 Views
Russian history is as depressing as they come. - 15/03/2017 12:08:15 PM 389 Views
Read Figes first, I suppose. - 14/03/2017 10:55:23 PM 344 Views
Thanks, Tom. I've been putting off reading good literature because of my unfamiliarity with Russia. *NM* - 15/03/2017 02:12:10 AM 176 Views
Which books have you put off reading? *NM* - 15/03/2017 12:05:32 PM 162 Views
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I'm always afraid I'm missing something critical, though! - 15/03/2017 03:50:59 PM 316 Views
Annotations are amazing. My eBook version of War and Peace was the same. - 15/03/2017 04:03:59 PM 337 Views
My High School English teacher neglected Russian literature. - 16/03/2017 01:46:29 AM 295 Views
Hmmmm. - 16/03/2017 01:18:14 PM 332 Views
Tolstoy was a reprehensible human being - 15/03/2017 04:02:52 PM 318 Views
I had no idea. I was under the impression he was deeply devout. - 16/03/2017 01:47:43 AM 335 Views
Here's one example: - 16/03/2017 02:06:45 AM 330 Views
Good lord. The man sounds deranged. But that's fascinating! Is there a good biography on him? *NM* - 16/03/2017 07:50:10 AM 165 Views
Pavel Basinsky's bio is best - 16/03/2017 02:46:47 PM 483 Views
Getting it now. Thanks. *NM* - 16/03/2017 11:06:25 PM 168 Views
For what it's worth, I read Lenin & Trotsky as genuine idealists, while Stalin as just a thug - 15/03/2017 11:16:36 AM 371 Views
I think that's entirely incorrect. - 15/03/2017 04:00:54 PM 372 Views
I didn't mean stupid or brutish, I meant more like a mafia don than a statesman - 16/03/2017 12:18:34 PM 281 Views
Well if you want to completely redefine the phrase "just a thug", perhaps you're right - 16/03/2017 02:43:38 PM 324 Views
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Hi there. - 14/03/2017 01:02:44 PM 303 Views
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