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Are you at all surprised? Camilla Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 07:59:30 AM
You are not wrong about your distinction between civil & religious weddings. However, same-sex marriage forces others to treat unions to which they are personally opposed as legitimate. For example, nothing stops an employer from extending his health benefits to his exployees' same-sex partner if he chooses, and the free market means that employers who do such things have an advantage in trying to attract employees who would be interested (and for the Christians, the right of an employer to spend his money as he pleases in such a manner is supported by the Gospels, so this should not be an issue) in this benefit. Meanwhile those who oppose it are free to withhold such recognition and also free to accept the consequences of losing employees who dislike such a policy. The point is, everyone is free to act according to his or her beliefs. Not so if same-sex marriage is legalized. Now everyone must accept same-sex marriage under threat of force, even if it violates their conscience or religion. By trying to get legal recognition for same-sex marriage, it supporters aer the ones trying to ram THEIR ideology down everyone's throat!


It forces them to treat same-sex unions as existent, just like heterosexual marriages, and that's it. Many of the devout religious view any "civil" marriage, i.e. a union that was not sanctified by a church, as illegitimate, but that's their religious preference and not something they get to legislate via the government.

Also, your attempt to justify governing with religious preference through free-market rhetoric is just pathetic.
*MySmiley*
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I may have lost a friend over same sex marriage - 17/01/2010 08:03:26 AM 1745 Views
the problem with your friend is the "southern evangelical christian" part - 17/01/2010 09:07:02 AM 1070 Views
They believe gay marriage is ongoing unrepentant sin. - 17/01/2010 12:04:58 PM 1076 Views
God your a moron. - 17/01/2010 09:10:17 PM 1004 Views
be nice - 18/01/2010 06:26:58 AM 947 Views
<shrug> They can believe that all that they like - 18/01/2010 08:07:28 PM 1014 Views
And live accordingly. Just like everyone else. - 18/01/2010 11:10:51 PM 971 Views
Re: And live accordingly. Just like everyone else. - 20/01/2010 10:40:36 PM 940 Views
It is, I believe, hardest for the intelligent educated man. - 21/01/2010 10:29:39 AM 1087 Views
You can't use logic in an irrational argument. - 17/01/2010 10:12:11 AM 969 Views
LOL... *NM* - 18/01/2010 05:21:14 AM 534 Views
You and Adam are being equally unconstructive. - 18/01/2010 06:21:45 AM 862 Views
why do you imply "constructive" is in anyway the intent? *NM* - 18/01/2010 06:32:27 AM 425 Views
*shrug* I never stopped believing in lost causes? - 18/01/2010 07:36:04 AM 862 Views
Re: You can't use logic in an irrational argument. - 18/01/2010 06:28:41 AM 1067 Views
Always welcome. - 18/01/2010 07:31:27 AM 1118 Views
We finally converted you - 17/01/2010 08:43:25 PM 880 Views
Not much of a friend then. Good ridance to bad friends. *NM* - 17/01/2010 08:51:02 PM 569 Views
I agree. A friend who can't respect differences of opinion is no friend at all. *NM* - 17/01/2010 09:11:33 PM 443 Views
seriously. *NM* - 17/01/2010 10:46:17 PM 389 Views
Only because such sentiment is my pet peeve...condemning exclusivity is hypocritical. *NM* - 19/01/2010 12:37:37 AM 487 Views
yeah no kidding - 18/01/2010 06:30:45 AM 870 Views
It forces other people to accept THEIR ideology that same sex unions are legitimate. - 18/01/2010 01:49:20 AM 1116 Views
I would assume, then, that you don't support any government-mandated health care? - 18/01/2010 02:07:40 AM 874 Views
Correct - 18/01/2010 04:29:04 AM 959 Views
Although I disagree with the vast majority of your arguments, - 18/01/2010 08:50:09 AM 946 Views
Thank you. - 20/01/2010 01:47:34 AM 1124 Views
Please tell me you have a source for that quotation. Other than me. - 21/01/2010 12:31:27 PM 1006 Views
It's GK Chesterton! What the hell are you going on about? - 27/01/2010 02:41:00 AM 853 Views
Link? - 27/01/2010 09:28:22 AM 971 Views
I can't find a link to the exact quote - 27/01/2010 12:14:19 PM 1071 Views
Re: Link? - 27/01/2010 01:38:36 PM 1078 Views
Perhaps we should define our terms more precisely. - 15/02/2010 11:28:09 AM 1460 Views
we do not exist in a free market. - 18/01/2010 04:09:37 AM 850 Views
And that's bad. Since when has the correct response to oppression been "accept further oppression"? *NM* - 18/01/2010 04:30:44 AM 438 Views
I am simply pointing out your arguments do not apply to the present economic environment. - 18/01/2010 04:46:04 AM 838 Views
No I am not. - 19/01/2010 10:44:31 PM 959 Views
That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 04:19:57 AM 892 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 04:41:27 AM 932 Views
civil marriages DO have a purpose. - 18/01/2010 04:49:12 AM 888 Views
Re: civil marriages DO have a purpose. - 19/01/2010 10:47:18 PM 1011 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 07:13:54 AM 890 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 19/01/2010 10:59:45 PM 878 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 07:15:50 AM 1053 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 20/01/2010 01:38:37 AM 817 Views
Are you at all surprised? - 18/01/2010 07:59:30 AM 900 Views
A truly free country means I don't have the freedom to shoot you - 18/01/2010 05:57:44 AM 1012 Views
You really said nothing, right there. - 18/01/2010 08:34:33 AM 939 Views
I presume you are equally against the current set up - 18/01/2010 12:31:33 PM 989 Views
He said as much in his response to me above. *NM* - 18/01/2010 09:37:49 PM 372 Views
That's such an amusing argument - 18/01/2010 08:17:15 PM 862 Views
I'm against people with pasta based nicknames on fantasy forums *NM* - 19/01/2010 03:03:31 PM 386 Views
cannoli is a pastry *NM* - 19/01/2010 07:25:04 PM 374 Views
I have no problem with people with pastry based names, just pasta - 21/01/2010 12:28:44 AM 855 Views
I can't help but find it funny - 18/01/2010 12:51:57 PM 846 Views
So... - 18/01/2010 03:39:33 PM 1010 Views
I think you missed who was the one to walk out - 18/01/2010 04:11:05 PM 891 Views
you acept your friends with their warts or you don't - 18/01/2010 06:45:13 PM 985 Views
I think you missed who was the one to walk out *NM* - 18/01/2010 08:01:25 PM 331 Views
I don't think it was that clear - 18/01/2010 10:01:32 PM 914 Views
I don't think it is all that clear yet, either - 18/01/2010 10:27:54 PM 946 Views
I wasn't taking sides - 18/01/2010 10:57:39 PM 840 Views

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